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Yes you should take it, if you got no other options.
Then you immediately update your CV with your new job title and jump ship for more pay. If the orginal company offers to match the pay you say "you had the chance to pay me more. If you valued me that much, you could have paid me that much from the start"
Don’t go back on your intent to leave for a better job. Some employers will see you as disloyal if you take the raise and stay. You’re usually better off leaving anyway.
There is rarely a situation where you should allow your employer to match the offer you have in hand.
They had the opportunity to do so and then failed to properly retain you. If they realize how much losing you will cost them in productivity, that's on them, not you.
It's not personal. It's literally business.
Yup. You're liable to be downsized in a couple months anyway.
If you take the raise and stay, you're now a bigger number on the same asshole bean counter's spreadsheet. Maybe the biggest in your role. That's not a long term move.
This. My buddy/former manager accepted a counter offer and lasted less than 6 months before they fired him, and made his working life miserable during that time. Just reinforced the mentality in me to never trust the counter offer of a place I already want to leave.
I cannot understand why this is so hard to get. People on here whining about their employer using them. Well, yes they are. Use them back. It's just business, it's expected on both sides of the table.
Last three times I jumped, I increased my pay by $12 -> $22 -> $32. I could go again, but I'm kinda fat, happy and lazy ATM.
I'm picturing you on a porch in a Rockin chair with chewing some grass, occasionally stopping to look around and go "yuup".
I'd like that.
Are you actively watching me?!
"yuup"
I’d only accept a “dry promotion” to improve my resume. Then I’d quit.
Here's a secret: your resume is whatever you write on a piece of paper. You can just get a volunteer role if you want to be a director or lead something.
Don't ever work for free unless you care about the end result. And definitely don't ever work for free for your own company. You can't be paid what you don't ask for.
Maybe you get paid the same but work half the time? (won't happen, but would be a 'dry' promotion I would take)
Nope. I want the promotion, the increase in salary and the halfed working hours.
If it's a promotion to less work, maybe.
Maybe.
Is there a risk of more responsibility and more risk in general? Meaning if something goes wrong, you can get fucked easier?
I got a “dry” promotion at my last position, and obviously I took it. I then put my new title on my Resume, when job hunting for a few months and found a new position that came with a 20%+ pay raise.
I’m actually a big fan of promotions that don’t include raises, because it shows that your employer doesn’t actually value you as an employee, and enables you to get a much larger raise at a new company compared to whatever raise your current employer would’ve given you if they cared at all about retention.
This works great for highly educated white collars!
Not for the other 70%+ of the workforce though.
This is the way.
Always take the promotion. Then update the resume and start hunting.
Preach it. I fought and fought to get my ASQs and CQEs (quality certs) as an automations guy. I worked in fda/dea/gmp environments with those systems so why they hell not. Took 2 years to finally get both and bailed immediately. Did all my bs six sigma bullshit along the way.
If it's a smash and grab for them then it's a smash and grab for me.
Capitalism 2: Slavery Boogaloo
Except Capitalism 2 is actually quite a fun computer game…
I took a promotion without a pay rise on the agreement it would come when pay was reviewed annually. A shit deal, but one I was prepared to accept on the balance of things. I made clear that if they didn't follow through then I would immediately demote myself and start looking for a new job.
Pay review came around and it was below inflation. I immediately demoted myself and started looking for a new job. I even requested an internal transfer that was denied (made them too much money where I was).
I handed in my notice a short while later and everyone was, to my surprise, surprised. I really didn't understand why the shock....until I learned in due course that most people don't follow through.
Funnier still, I returned 6 months later (due to a quirk in contracts) at double the salary in the dept I requested a transfer to.
Anyway my point is - do what is to your benefit, always. Companies can play games - as can you.
I handed in my notice a short while later and everyone was, to my surprise, surprised. I really didn’t understand why the shock…until I learned in due course that most people don’t follow through.
When I was a young adult, I used to work as a lab tech in a plasma center. That involved taking liter bottles of plasma, checking the computer system, filling out paperwork, drawing fluid and taking blood vials to run in a centrifuge, and frequently having to redo paperwork because the barely-trained phlebotomists kept sending them to me covered in drops of blood. Of course, this not only took longer, but meant I had to sanitize the entire area, change PPE, and get shit from the rest of the team for not just taking their biohazard-contaminated paperwork regardless. The room held 50 to 100 donors at a time, and the lab team was just two people.
My immediate boss would routinely just fucking disappear or taking random lunches, even during rushes, leaving me to handle everything on my own. She'd get pissy over small things, and spent time chatting with management in the offices, just hanging out, while I did all the work.
One day, she did something like this and left. I muttered to myself that I was going to quit. I finished the sample I was working on and went into the -40 degree biohazard freezer to store the sample.
Cut to a minute later, I came out of the freezer to see someone from management in the lab, saying "I heard you're quitting?"
...what?
She said "Fine then. Go ahead and go." (or something like that.)
I was stunned, but realized that my shitty manager must have heard me on her way out, and fucking told on me. I hadn't planned on following through, and was mostly just upset at being used, but now?
"Fuck it." I thought. "I said I'll do it, so I'll do it."
I'm not a good speaker, but I basically stumbled over some short apology like that I would have finished the work day first, but would leave now if she wanted to. Her reply was to get all exasperated, as if she hadn't expected me to do anything but crumple at being confronted, and she told me "Well, have a nice life then!" as I walked out the door. Never saw her or my shitty manager again. Years later, I did hear my shitty manager had gotten fired or something, for being shit at hear job.
I think I made the right choice.
(Edited for typos, so many typos....)
I want the games to end. Fun time is over
As others have said, you take the 'promotion' and IMMEDIATELY start looking for a new job with your new title on your resume.
Corporations are not loyal to you. Do not be loyal to them.
Hey this basically happened to me. I got a 1 dollar raise offer for moving into a management role. Negotiating a higher pay Tuesday. Wish me luck!
Good luck, but when you are turned down you should recognize the red flag and start looking for your new, better job, leveraging your new title to get paid what it is worth.
That's the plan... I'm still in school and the jobs pretty flexible so I may stick it out for a bit but it's worth a shot.
Your "meal" doesn't come with food.
Your "marriage" doesn't come with love.
Your "car" doesn't come with an engine
Do the above sound ridiculous?
Now re-read the headline.
Once got offered a promotion to make less. Made $15/hr as a "Junior" but got 1.5x Overtime and there was always as much overtime as you wanted.
Got offered a "Not Junior" full-time role for $30,000/year.
Just got up and left. Went home and started applying elsewhere. I know I was replacing a person who made 60k
So the industry that I was in for a long time was production based, meaning your income is reflected by your physical performance. It was extremely demanding and also quite high paying.
So, I got stupidly good at this job. And I rarely took on additional responsibilities, because that would actually mean more stress and less money. In this industry, there were two reasons to go into management: you either had trouble coping with the physical strain that came with this insane work, or because you wanted to hold power over others. But it wasn't a pay bump and it was more work/responsibility. Consequently the people who took this on were rarely the people who should have and the industry on the whole suffers accordingly.
I was once asked if I wanted to be the project manager for a system I was working on. Purely a internal title with no pay increase. Lol, fuck no.
Well you can do the route of getting some PM experience and then doing that.
Increased responsibility = increased compensation.
Of course you do.
The goal is not to earn more. The goal is to do fuck all.
Yes, take it. Then immediately update your resume with your new job title and look for another job.
Hahahahaha 😂... Oh you're serious? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣, fuck no.
No.
This is kind of dumb on the part of companies. There's a great reason to take these: you can market experience in that position when you're applying for jobs elsewhere. You want to give me SVP title with no raise? I will find someone who will pay happily.
One of the positive things I took from this absolute stark nutball I worked with, is the idea that it's better to be richer than famous, no matter what.
Taking a promotion and getting more visibility without a pay bump to match seems to break this rule.
Life doesnt have to be this way. We can thrive, not barely survive. We just need to keep trying new things till something works while we still have time.
How do we try new things? We do away with First post voting and get an opportunity to vote for people and political parties that have fresh ideas. With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn't win.
Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is representedby their choices in the voting booth. More peopleinvolvedin the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?
Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won't need to grovel on our knees, begging for representationin government. We won't need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.
We can do it right now.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
