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The memes of the climate

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The climate of the memes of the climate!

Planet is on fire!

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

1.5°C is a symbolic boundary. It was agreed to not be broken in the Paris agreement in 2016. Not even ten years later, it is broken for the eigth consecutive month and in the yearly average. It will be broken permanently in 5-10 years. It is a symbolic boundary because it is an arbitrary number and every tenth of a degree matters. We still need to support climat action even if it is broken. But it is also a symbol of political incompetency and fossil fuel malice.

Source article: https://climate.copernicus.eu/warmest-february-record-9th-consecutive-warmest-month

Posting and liking memes is great, but real change comes from actions. If you are as concerned as we are about climate change, please consider joining or supporting climate activists near you. Here are some good starting points for anyone interested:

https://a22network.org/

https://fridaysforfuture.org/

https://scientistrebellion.org/

[–] lurch 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

While protesting is valid too, it's not much more "action" then making and liking memes. Both a merely expressing your inability to take actual action, because you lack immediate power to act ASAP.

Real actions would be:

  • Forbidding coal, oil and gas,
  • Buying all coal, oil and gas companies and shutting them down or
  • Making all coal, oil and gas companies unable to operate by some sort of continous destruction.

All of which you are unable to do, hence you protest to convince people who have the power to take action.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, there are things done, but not enough and not by many enough and many actions, like cutting down on travel, consumption and beef, are seen as undesirable.

I know there is a common view that it doesn't matter what the common man does, that it's the corpos och governments that hold all the power, but that isn't entirely correct. Governments and corporations have power and need to be influenced by actions and, when it gets rolling bandwagoning, but the decisions of the billions of people have consequences to. Not everybody has a choice, nor means, but some (most on these boards?) of us have in some capacity and we need to consider how we can act in accordance.

And dont critice something for being inadequate. The next iteration will be better. That's how we get the ball rolling. Waiting for the perfect solution will leave us incapable of action.

[–] lurch 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

well yes, but the ball is really slow. if, for example, all those people on the big protests, went to smash up an oil refinery or coal mine instead whenever they would have protested, there wouldn't be any more oil refineries and coal mines left in their countries. they just don't have the power to do it without repercussions, so they have to resort to ineffective measures, while the sheiks bribe their rulers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well, while I agree it is happening to slow, compared to the 90ies, or even 10 years ago, it isn't slow. It is happening in an unprecedented rate. And some bodies, like EU, has taken som massive steps in legalisation last year addressing huge areas, from energy use to transportation. And in both China and the US (and everywhere else) renewables outperforms fossil tech in new investments. And seasonal energy storage issues are addressed as well, which could adress one of the big ones, seasonal heating needs (that's 40% of total energy usage in the north).

As for your example of coal mines. They are already dead tech, although it will take a little while longer for everyone to realise it. And that is by affecting decisionmakers and without violence. As for oil use in general, we need an alternative to the car. When people stop using cars, be it by better commuting options, electric scooters or electric kickbikes and "follow me home" carrying drones, oil will see it's days counted to.

And coming around to my first comment, these are corporate and government decisions outlined. As a part of the public, we have a choice to either stick to our old ways, or try to learn something new and add our weight to the bandwagon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

There's no stopping this warming. You have to get ALL governments and corporations on board to spend an ungodly amount. There's going to be cheaters and our slaps on the wrist aren't going to save us. Until we see the devastation in our literal back yard, we'll sleep.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

We just need another supervolcano eruption to offset the global temperature increase. Does throwing a nuke into an active volcano work?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you have nukes you don't need a volcano, just nuking the ground will throw up enough dust.
Volcanos often release CO2, only some ground does.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Volcanic winter might be a bit more preferable than nuclear winter.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Hey is that you Trump?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I asked about this, and the answer is basically that "we're 99% sure 1.5C is dead; we won't be 100% until El Niño is over".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

The amount of people not understanding climate timespans, models and pathways is too damn high.