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It puts a lot of features at the fingertips of the faithful, including the ability to filter whole neighborhoods by religion, ethnicity, “Hispanic country of origin,” “assimilation,” and whether there are children living in the household.

Its core function is to produce neighborhood maps and detailed tables of data about people from non-Anglo-European backgrounds, drawn from commercial sources typically used by marketing and data-harvesting firms.

training videos produced by users show the extent to which evangelical groups are using sophisticated ways to target non-Christian communities, with questionable safeguards around security and privacy.

In one instance, he points to the sharable note-taking function and suggests leaving information for each household, such as “Daughter left for college” and “Mother is in the hospital.”

increasingly popular among Christian supremacist groups, prayerwalking calls on believers to wage “violent prayer” (persistently and aggressively channeling emotions of hatred and anger against Satan), engage in “spiritual mapping” (identifying areas where evil is at work, such as the darkness ruling over an abortion clinic, or the “spirit of greed” ruling over Las Vegas), and conduct prayerwalking (roaming the streets in groups, “praying on-site with insight”).

newly arrived refugees might well find a knock on the door from strangers with knowledge of their personal circumstances distressing—and that’s before these surprise visitors even begin to attempt to convert them.

placing people of different ethnic and religious backgrounds on easy-to-access databases is a dangerous road to go down

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[–] gravitas_deficiency 70 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I’m willing to bet a lot of money that if one particular candidate wins the election in November, this data will be used for a whole fucking lot more than “evangelization”.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's all I can think about.

I wonder if the pride flag houses have targets on them now, or if that comes with the November update

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I’ve often thought about making a MAGA flag Map, especially for businesses with them so we know who to boycott.

This app might give off the inverse data, which could be almost as helpful.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I'm pretty sure religious groups think every other group is as focused and dedicated to conversation as they are.

If they were left alone in a room with a child (or anyone really), their immediate action would be to determine how Christian the child is, test and ensure their faith is all consuming, or immediately begin the conversion process if they aren't already their personal brand of Christian.

They assume this is absolutely normal, expected behaviour. so any group that is different from them, must be doing the exact same thing, but with other idealogies.

Like how they hate Islam and Sharia law while endorsing 99% of Sharia law practices under a different name. Or they think every gay person has a gay agenda and needs to make every child gay because religion knows children are the easiest to manipulate.

They are obsessed with someone else being a groomer while being the most organized and dedicated groomers on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Bruh, the Bible says if you even think a family member is considering any other option than Christianity, it's you're duty to stop them, even if it means killing them.

Blood is thicker than water.

Is a biblical phrase, the full thing is:

The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.

It means you're supposed to put any other Christian, and Christianity as a whole, over family.

Up to and including pulling an Abraham and murdering family members for not believing exactly the same shit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Is a biblical phrase, the full thing is:

The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.

That's an urban myth.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Where, exactly, in the Bible does it say that?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Your quote never appears anywhere in any of those citations.

That the Bible--a collection of religious texts, many of them advancing directly or indirectly the ethnic and national interests of their authors' people groups--would have stuff in it about killing people for lots of reasons is no surprise.

But your purported origin of the common proverb in the Bible is a fabrication. It's not in there, anywhere.

Also Christianity doesn't advocate killing non-believers as a matter of doctrine. Plenty of Christians have done that historically, but it's not a teaching of the religion, and it's never advocated in the Bible, anywhere.

There's plenty to criticize Christians for. I don't understand why you felt you needed to make something up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What quote?

The blood/water one?

You know you get better answers with clear questions, right?

Otherwise this happens where no on has any idea what you're talking about and just trying to guess what you mean.

It's rarely as productive as just being specific in the first place

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Answer the question. You specifically stated "it's in the bible". It was obvious to me, reading this thread, what exactly they meant. Please show us the location of the quote.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

The old acknowledged the question but dance around answering it by throwing out another question and attack of character.

This guy has talked shit online before, this isn't his first rodeo

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hi, Christian here. No, we are not called upon to kill our family members for not being Christians. Hope this helps.

And if you'd like to dispute by pointing out verses that imply we should be killing people, please save us both some time and check the context of the verse. Some of them are in parables, and others are of the old law back before there was hope for salvation in Christ. If you find any that are neither, I'd be surprised, but please let me know.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Some of them are in parables, and others are of the old law back before there was hope for salvation in Christ. If

That would almost matter ...

If Christians weren't constantly saying they need to pass laws everyone has to follow based on that old shit...

When you pick and choose and say some have to be followed, but the ones you disagree with don't.

It's what's called "hypocrisy" in the modern world.

You can't claim some stuff you're forced to make others follow, and other stuff is outdated and we can't hold it against you

Gotta pick a lane champ

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Pick a lane? I think you're assuming others' actions are mine. I don't force others to follow the Bible at all, because that's not the biblical way. It has to be a choice, otherwise God might as well force us all directly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

A very strongly nagged and heavily pressured and influenced choice.

There is no magic carpenter and never was, and there is no magic "salvation" that absolves you from responsibility for your actions. Grow up and become an adult.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I didn't know the origin but wow, that's the complete opposite of how the phrase gets used today

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not, it's an urban myth

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

I looked it up after and yeah, not from the Bible. The religious connotation likely came from a sermon from the 1600s that kind of bastardized it

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Hi, Christian here. I can't speak for all Christians, but this isn't accurate to my behaviors or perceptions.

I generally save the "conversion process" as you call it until after I already know someone because there's more trust from a friend. So it's not my immediate action (and also not something I'm trying to force on them.) Also, if they're not my "personal brand" of Christian, I don't feel a need to convert them, because what matters is following Christ earnestly, not checking all the right answers to unclear questions. Unless it's like the World Mission Society Church of God or something.

I don't assume that other religions and ideologies are full of aggressive evangelicals. I do think there are some aggressive evangelicals, but most of the time the pushing of other religions is a slow and passive thing, and the pushing of ideologies is a thing of culture as a whole, not specific agents.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Totally fair point - there's more than one type of Christian and not everyone in the faith has homogeneous opinions or actions.

Unfortunately (fortunately?) for your faith - the ones steering the ship politically are hyper right wing convert /submit or die types.

Until Christian denominations meaningfully split or works against the goals from evangelicals/Christian nationalists, you're effectively sitting at the same table and will be judged accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (22 children)

I'd like to know what you meant by evangelical. I'd consider myself evangelical in that I believe in evangelism (telling people about Jesus) and in the evangel (the Gospel,) but every time I hear the word used by non-Christians, it's regarded like it's a flavor of fascism or something.

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[–] prole 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What a bunch of bullshit. You're either blind or full of shit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Can't argue with that logic. I can disagree, but I can't really argue because there's nothing there to argue with, and asking for clarification might sound like sealioning. I'm not really in a sealioning mood, so have a nice day.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

This seems like a conspiracy for targeted harassment, with a strong case of doxxing.

With an email account I created 10 minutes ago and no registered church within the app, I've been able to pull the names and addresses of myself, my neighbors, and the names of people whose address I've checked.

This is a privacy nightmare.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

Friendly reminder that Christianity is the biggest and most dangerous cult in the world

[–] Kellamity 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If this is truly and legitimately where it ends - doorknocking - then its an annoyance and nothing more

But the real issue is that in the US the evangelical Christian scene has a lot of overlap with various racist/homophobic/right-wing/etcetc scenes

You can ignore 'have you heard of our saviour Jesus Christ' visits with a shoulder shrug, but I bet a lot of people have genuine safety concerns about this information being available to this crowd

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

A public record documenting people's religious views and ethnic background. I can't imagine a single nefarious thing that could be used for.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

Wow, this sure is an awesome guide on privacy posted here in the privacy guides community.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I think this particular app name was changed to just "bless". They got reported on another thread.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hi, Christian here. I agree that a lot of this is quite fishy. There are a couple things I want to contest though:

Violent prayer. I never heard of it before, but I looked it up. It's a misnomer, and the definition provided here is incorrect. It simply refers to persistent and fervent prayer.

Prayerwalking. Its inclusion implies that there's something creepy or dangerous about it, but it's actually harmless. It's literally just people going for a walk and praying as they go (not making a show of it.)

[–] prole 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Violent prayer. I never heard of it before, but I looked it up.

That's weird... I've never heard the term, but I grew up in an Evangelical Christian household, and I knew exactly what they were referring to as soon as I read it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I knew exactly what they were referring to as soon as I read it

For clarity, which definition did your upbringing suggest?

[–] prole 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't know what you mean by "which definition" as though there's a few for me to select from...? I'm just saying that the term seems self-explanatory to me, and I'm not exactly sure how to describe it better than that.

They think they are literally performing "spiritual warfare," and that their words have power to destroy (yes, real and literal) demonic forces that are usually the cause of issues in your life. Usually mental health issues, shockingly. They take this VERY seriously as this is a matter of eternity in their addled minds.

It seems as though they believe that the more angry and fervent they are with that "spiritual warfare," the better it works?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

THEY HAVE TO BE STOPPED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

This is cyber stalking

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Seems like a step up from "Covenant Eyes" with weirdo politicians sharing their porn habits with their children.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I have no problems with anyone who doesn't force or coerce their beliefs on anyone else

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