Lenovo seems to be pretty solid but fuck... I still have a grudge over how much shittier they are than the old IBM ThinkPads.
We have nothing but problems with the ThinkPads issued by my IT department. Multiple models. They're not what they used to be.
Same here, both E Series and L Series.
Those are the shit ones. Only T, X, W are the proper ones.
The problematic models we have are all T series.
Newer ones flex a lot more.
My last and current laptops were and are Lenovo. I definitely recommend
Look into the Framework 13. There are no touchpad buttons but otherwise it has everything you need and is fully upgradable and customizable. The laptop has four expansion ports that can hold a variety of hotpluggable expansion cards. The manufacturer offers USB-A, USB-C, HDMI, DisplayPort, 2.5G ethernet, microSD, audio and SSDs. There are also some community-made ones like LTE and dual USB-C.
When I eventually need to upgrade I won't even consider anything that isn't repairable on a similar level. Hopefully they will be sticking around until then, but it's looking good on that front right now
Framework if you want to repair it yourself and Lenovo if you don’t. Lenovo makes a good machine and has very reasonably priced on-site support options.
Thinkpad T, W, X series.
Also the P series (succesor of W). X series, just avoid the X1 Carbon.
We found the carbon to be okay, but the fan ramped up to TOGA mode super fast.
I've used Macbooks in networking / programming and construction environments for over fifteen years. They've been incredibly solid in my experience. In fact, the first week I was given a Thinkpad, I broke it because it was so much more fragile than a Mac. I always used USB adapters for Ethernet and serial connections without issue. They also run Windows and Linux.
They also run Windows
They no longer do (since the switch to ARM) - unless you count running under a VM.
Right. I use Parallels.
Their Linux support is so bad it might as well be unsupported.
I run Asahi on my 2023 m2pro mbp; performance-wise it's closer to a contemporary i7 than the actual performance of the M chip on macos, but a lot of what I need is there, a surprising amount of stuff is compiled for Arm64 actually. Feels like normal Fedora in most every aspects. Coming from thinkpads / latitudes, keyboard is shit tho, really. Screen is great, sound is quite good, device feels sturdy but sleep eats 50% battery a day. Air vents are placed just right to gulp any spilled drink, like, vacuuming it off the table, a puzzling design choice. Prices took a dive with the advent of the m3 so I'm not really angry, a 2023 i7 thinkpad would have cost me the same.
In fact, the first week I was given a Thinkpad, I broke it because it was so much more fragile than a Mac
Genuine question, but what the actual fuck are you doing with your laptops? I used a ThinkPad through high school and college, and school aged me certainly didn't treat it very kindly.
I picked it up by the screen and the LCD cracked. I realize this is stupid but it's something I've always done and continue to do with Macs.
Why? That's not a good way to pick up laptop, the base is heavier than screen
I have been a loyal Lenovo customer for years. Their laptops are not cool or sexy, but they are reliable.
I've had 2 touch screens completely become unresponsive in the last year or 2. Both Lenovo, so I'll never buy from them again
For what it's worth, I've bought two laptops from them in the last four years and had tons of problems initially (there were both essentially pre orders, first run laptops). A few minutes on the phone, some trouble shooting,and I had replacements for both overnighted for free. Zero issues with the replacements in both cases.
So yes, don't order the brand newest Lenovo. Get the one a generation old at deeep discount.
System76.
My experience with clevo Models is that they aren't really well built.
Lenovo X1 carbon is what you are looking for. I got one (10th Gen) and slapped fedora on it and it's been absolutely awesome.
Battery life could be better, but I haven't tweaked it.
Good luck finding a quality new laptop with Linux support that also has a rj45 port. Framework might be an option though. But I just use a gigabit Ethernet usb3 adapter and it works fine
uhh... what kind of work?
the panasonic toughbook and apple macbook air are two wildly different laptops i have seen extensively in the field but not at the same workplaces.
Also a matte screen.
There's a reason dells are everywhere
I'll piggyback on this one. I'm personally more partial to Lenovo if money and lead time isn't an issue, but Dell Latitude is the budget business brand. On site repair support is roughly the same, they contract 3rd parties in whatever area you are in to do onsite repair.
I can reliably get Latitude 5500 series laptops with i5, 16gb, 256gb, and fingerprint reader for less than $1000 shipped, and that includes a 5 year on-site accidental included warranty with keep your drive. You drove over your laptop? Ok, here's a loaner, let me try to pull the storage, and try not to do it again.
I can't really fault that logic. I like the keyboard, the screen, any many other things with them. It's just some minor annoyances with some of the Fn keycombos that I don't like.
But one thing that I can say for sure: It will never be as durable as my Toshiba. It fell between two ships decks. It slid off the roof of a car and syraight into asphalt. It has pieces missing from it. The RJ45 port has been torn out of the mainboard. But it still works, and I bought it out for 50$ when I left my previous employer, and I still use it from time to time to this day.
Sorry, but no, they're shit.
And for the price they still them at, they're double shit.
The Dell Latitude I got from work is really the worst laptop I've ever used. Do not buy.
Actually, I thought dells were shit computers, then I started working at a place that only deals in Dell. I'm actually pretty impressed after having used a 5300. It's been a pretty solid choice except for the battery.
I work help desk, and I'm actually surprised we don't get more issue tickets considering it's a global company.
Dells are great until they break. Ever seen an HDD taped the the top side of a motherboard? I hadn't until I was working on a dell Inspiron. Also, their drivers are usually the biggest pain in the ass to load.
That being said, I had a D620 latitude in college with a 9 cell battery, and that thing would handle all my classes for the day on a single charge. It was also much sturdier than the Toshiba Satellite M505D I switched to.
Novacustom, System76. Doesnt tick everything but has Coreboot support.
Basically any Lenovo Thinkpad. They're cheap, strong and easy to repair/upgrade
A secondhand Lenovo Thinkpad or Dell Latitude, 2013-2018 models. Get one with a quad-core i7, it will run you €150-€400 depending on the amount of RAM, SSD, screen resolution, condition and possibly an onboard GPU.
Thinkpad W541
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