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David Cameron has urged US lawmakers to pass a bill including support for Ukraine and warned them not to show “the weakness displayed against Hitler”.

The foreign secretary said Congress should vote through the foreign aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan for the sake of global security. The bill has passed through the senate but faces a deeply uncertain future in the House of Representatives, where Republicans aligned with presidential frontrunner Donald Trump oppose the legislation.

“Right now in Congress, the American support for Ukraine is being debated, and I urge those congressmen and women to pass that bill to provide that money, to provide those weapons to Ukraine,” Lord Cameron said on a visit to the Bulgarian capital, Sofia.

“They are fighting off illegal Putin aggression and they need our support. We should be standing up for freedom, standing up for the right of this country to defend itself and making sure that Putin doesn’t win.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

There are no downsides that matter when it comes to helping Ukraine. Anyone speaking out against it either has a cavity where their brain should be or is on Russia's side, most likely both.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Bringing irritating realism to this picture, I can picture a few bad outcomes:

  1. At least before the 2022 attack, Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. If it still is, there's a high probability that at least part of that money is just pocketed by some individuals.

Ok, I can picture a single bad outcome.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The foreign secretary said Congress should vote through the foreign aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan for the sake of global security.

One of these is not like the others.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Neatly tucked in right in the middle.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

The shit sandwich approach

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Cameron literally created Brexit out of thin air, dunno why anyone listens to the fuck. And he certainly should never have been allowed back in government ever again.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Bad news - 33% of the country loves or is tolerant of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They are Authoritarians. A guy did a study on them in the 90s and basically found that you will have 30% of any country that craves dictators, an incrediblely strict social structure, and an iron fisted approach to government. Usually, it's conditioned through family patriarchal means. But often is religious based.

It's the job of the normies to out vote the crazy fucks. We done fucked up in 2016 and took the lid off the pot.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yup I like to hateread /r/conservative and one of their big posts was how Tucker was praising Putin's Moscow for having less crime and homelessness than the average American city. My dudes, the criminals and homeless are dying on the front. Not to mention if you called Putin "Sleepy" or some stupid shit you would end up falling through a window.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just imagined a caretaker/servant seeing a tired Putin late at night, asking him if he was sleepy and offering him tea. Putin accepts tea and the servant returns to the kitchen to prepare the tea. The servant is immediately thrown out the kitchen window.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The defenestration of grog.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the patriarchal family and religion must be destroyed if we're going to have peace and democracy

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I grew up in a matriarchy, religion is the disease, specifically the cults of Abraham.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Any religion, I'd argue. Look at the way India's been sliding into Hindu nationalism/fascism. Japan went full fascist with Shinto leading up to WWII. Any flavor of God Emperor is a bad, bad sign.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

But only fascism in their (perceived) favour, of course

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Similar rating (Putin's approval) seems to be over 80% in Russia. Not that it excuses 33%, that's way too high also.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

one of our shit heel Republicans managed to get her name into the story by being the ignorant little troll that she is

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Cameron is one of those who reveal themselves to be a gigantic political fucktards. The kind that a lot of people know ahead of time, but the rest just have to wait for the shit to unfold, like Bexit, and Trump. But, once they do, why the fuck would you care what they have to say?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The bill has passed through the senate but faces a deeply uncertain future in the House of Representatives, where Republicans aligned with presidential frontrunner Donald Trump oppose the legislation.

Republican rightwinger Marjorie Taylor Greene responding by telling Sky News: “David Cameron needs to worry about his own country, and frankly, he can kiss my ass.”

Cameron is visiting Bulgaria and Poland this week before travelling to the Munich Security Conference, where he will encourage counterparts to boost defence production for Ukraine.

The foreign secretary made a similar intervention last December, when he warned during a visit to Washington DC that blocking a package of support for Ukraine would be a “Christmas present” for Putin.

The aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan has passed through the Senate 70-29, despite a group of Republicans opposed to $60bn (£47.5bn) for Kyiv arguing that the US should focus on its own problems before sending more money overseas.

On Wednesday, Kyiv claimed to have severely damaged and sunk a Russian landing ship in its latest drone attack on Moscow’s Black Sea fleet.


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[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

While I agree, the UK needs to chip a little more in too. This is everyone's problem, not just the United States.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's irritating that those are just raw figures and not eg. relative to GDP or even per capita.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

The US contribution is 0.33% of GDP, UK 0.37%. Estonia meanwhile tops the contribution at 1.26% of GDP, not surprising when they have Russia on their doorstep..... as does the US with Alaska.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago

maybe his Lordness should donate all of his money instead.