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I should begin by mentioning that I am (was) a moderator of three subreddits: one large subreddit, one NSFW subreddit and a medical-related subreddit. After u/spez's calamitous AMA, I joined Lemmy and haven't looked back. I am really enjoying the Lemmy/KBin vibe. It is very much an alpha (almost beta) product and the ad free, corporate free, decentralized nature of the fediverse has a thrill of its own.

Over the past couple of months, Reddit has done everything it can to show its moderators that they are low-value and easily replaceable. They've done this by removing technical tools, killing off third party applications, crippling API changes and jaw-droppingly bad public relations. Heavily used products like /r/toolbox are no longer being actively developed. When Reddit API implements a breaking, non-backwards compatible change, that tool will also die.

Yet the moderators of Reddit continue to moderate. They stay and help Reddit build Reddit. They continue to work for free; to allow Reddit to make money off of their work despite being abused. When I see things like the comment section on this post, I no longer feel sorry for the Reddit moderators still on the site. I see them as a sad, sorry group who cling to the false hope of a corporate turnaround. They could leave Reddit. They should leave Reddit.

These moderators are in an abusive relationship with Reddit, Inc. I might understand the argument, "we built this community, we can't just abandon it". But would you give the same advice to someone else in an abusive relationship? I get that the analogy between the mods and the corp is an imperfect one, yet it is similar enough to be valid, in my opinion.

Moderating is really hard. It is hard and thankless and never-ending. Finding good moderators who can handle the marathon nature of the gig is incredibly difficult. If Reddit moderators were to delete their moderating bots, downgrade their automod "code" and dial back their modding efforts to 5 min/week or less, it would materially hurt Reddit as a product.

The sunk-cost fallacy is a real thing. If the Reddit mods understood this, they'd take their talents elsewhere. But as long as they continue to help Reddit build Reddit, one shouldn't feel sorry for them.

They could leave. I did and I've never been happier.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Moderating for free is a mental illness.

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Eh, so a couple of things:

These moderators are in an abusive relationship with Reddit, Inc.

The sunk-cost fallacy is a real thing. If the Reddit mods understood this, they’d take their talents elsewhere. But as long as they continue to help Reddit build Reddit, one shouldn’t feel sorry for them.

They could leave. I did...

That's not at all how abusive relationships work. I get what you're saying, and the comparison isn't that far off, but your conclusions are wildly off base.

I was a mod of some big subs too, and I have a friend who's staying at one of the very large "Ask(Insert Specific Thing Here)" subs. He genuinely cares about the integrity of the thing people ask about and doesn't want it to devolve into conspiracy theory nonsense. I get it, and yeah we know he is physically capable of leaving, but I admire that about him and I do feel sorry for him. For all of them, for being so disrespected in the first place. And yes, he does understand all of the points you just made - we've discussed it ad nauseam.

It's Reddit's fault, not theirs or ours. Fuck spez.

[–] matlag 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Spez's comment on moderators showed the world he's not a tiny bit better than Marck "They trust me, dumbfucks!" Zuckerberg.

Yet so many people willingfully trust him with their most personal sensitive information until it's too late.

https://www.insider.com/nebraska-teen-sentenced-jail-abortion-police-facebook-2023-7

Even with that, you still don't see FB users running away from the private data collection and resell platform.

It will be very hard for some moderators to leave because they put so much work in reddit, and leaving would force them to admit they were used by someone who despised them the whole time, and there is no hope he would ever change.

It's similar to women who can't leave their violent companion: they want to believe in something that does not exist, and will stretch their perception of reality to avoid admitting they're wrong.

I do not despise the moderators who won't leave. I pity them.

With all that said, this remind me I wanted to permanently delete my reddit's account. I won't contribute to a BS "users" numbers...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With all that said, this remind me I wanted to permanently delete my reddit’s account. I won’t contribute to a BS “users” numbers…

If you are ok with going scorched earth, download one of those programs that lets you replace the content of all of your comments with either gibberish or a pre-defined message saying why you did it and left first. I only deleted mine and I wish I did that but too late now.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I was the sole mod of of a decent sized sub (12k users) until spez made it clear how unappreciated my work to combat spam & scams actually is.

I deleted my 12 year old main account, the other coming soon.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Which medical subreddit if you dont mind sharing? Would be great to have askdocs type community on lemmy.

The most valuable resources of reddit imo was the ones like askdocs and askalawyer because it gave so many people who cant really afford to pay hundreds to thousands of dollars for quick questions especially if they aren’t sure they need a professionals help.

So many young people also got to use those subreddits for advice they couldn’t otherwise get

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I might understand the argument, “we built this community, we can’t just abandon it”.

Odin: "~~Asgard~~ Reddit is not a place. It's a people."

~~Spiss~~ Thanos: "Fine. I'll do it myself."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Hey, I'm here now, at least. I vented my frustrations, exposed their shit over here, and signed up for lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think attacking the mods like this is similar to attacking a person in an abusive relationship. It's more complicated than that when they feel so attached to the product of what is in some cases thousands of hours of work put into their communities that they've built for over a decade.

Don't attack the victims. Attack the abuser. I'm glad that it was easy for you to leave the abusive relationship but it's not easy for everyone. The same psychology is at play.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Moderators are not a vital part of Reddit, mods are Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mods on Reddit are power hungry basement dwellers. I'm glad you got out. They do nothing but stifle conversations and turn the cesspool that is reddit into more and more of an echo chamber. I've had so many accounts banned for simply trying to have a conversation that didn't fit the "narrative". It's shocking how much so little power goes to people's heads.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I once got banned from some random sub for commenting in r/conservative. I responded to the mods like "tf? I'm a leftist, I'm debating with the conservatives" and got a response from the mod saying "yeah whatever you're wasting your time and you sound like an idiot. Bye."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I got banned from r/news for "homophobia" because I said kindergarteners needed to know where adults should not be touching them. I'm still baffled by that one.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can state a verifiable fact on Reddit and get banned because of some twisted interpretation. Fuck I hate mods.

[–] PissinSelfNdriveway 6 points 1 year ago

On antiwork a while back a Guy asked for a song to play at a mandatory company picnic because they were forced to pick a song to play at it... I recommended Trevor Moore time for guillotines. Boom permaban. Apparently guillotines is a no no word of reddit. Fuck that place.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They do significantly more than that, but absolutes are more fun and better server your narrative.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Do people really think Lemmy won't have the same problems with mods in the future? Ha. It's probably happening already in a few places. I have no idea why anyone would think differently. And the solution is identical to what it is on reddit - start your own competing community.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

well put, I have also found a home here in the fediverse and I actually enjoy it more than reddit, I wish more mods would have done the same thing

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a mod of a small subreddit, which I have attempted to move to Lemmy, but as I'm not the only mod, the sub is still up and far more active.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

That's okay though. It takes time and if you can get your community to really take off then maybe the other mods will come over. Every subreddit had to start somewhere and wasn't huge overnight. Honestly, Lemmy is not a replacement for Reddit and shouldn't be treated as such. It's just different.

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