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There is a substantial amount of spam and NSFW posts on the All page coming through already. Most NSFW posts aren't being tagged as such and are coming right through. I am not sure how this can be weathered but we need something in place fairly soon, I feel like we are days away from rivers of bad stuff, especially via some of the federated instances.

EDIT: I personally don't care much about the NSFW aspect, more in the lines of what a newcomer will be seeing when they get to the main page. 99% of the newcomers don't know / care about federation and have no idea how to turn that off. Liability for the server owner is also an element of consideration.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

If posts are tagged nfsw, then they'll be blurred, but unfortunately people aren't consistently using the nsfw tag. Most of the nsfw content is coming from lemmynsfw.com - I've asked one of the admins over there if they can just auto-apply the tag to any post on their instance with media attached.

They replied that they are looking into it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

... or you can just block lemmynsfw.com

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The NSFW blur is sometimes not applied correctly. For example if you have turned on displaying Avatars (or Magazine icons) then those elements are blurred instead of the post preview itself - at least that's my experience on Vivaldi browser. Styling might be interpreted differently on other browsers. And sometimes it takes a second to apply the style (I think after page reload) so if it's high up there on the list one might still see NSFW content unblured.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This needs to be top comment!

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I have added the option to set the entire magazine as +18, including remote. Please provide me with those here in the comments that require action.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is it possible to have separate nsfw tags for nudity Vs gore or is all gore supposed to be tagged nsfl instead. Because that was something I thought Reddit should have had different, if you turn off nsfw, you miss alot of things that are '18+' that aren't nudity. If that makes any sense.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Granularity would be awesome for NSFW tags.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's something that took Reddit forever to do. NSFW, NSFL/GORE, and SPOILER are very important tags/filters to have.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yes please! That's something people have been asking for on reddit for so long. Would be great to have that added early into development

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Given that folks are saying the main source is an instance called lemmynsfw.com, perhaps it would be useful to have an option to set an entire instance as having that flag? I'm foreseeing a future where instances tend to be subject-specific so something like that seems like it'd be pretty handy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Is there a way to block an entire instance? Because in my kbin.social settings I have "hide adult content" turned ON and yet I keep getting posts from lemmynsfw in my feed and my sidebar of random recent posts.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Several people here are saying that the bulk of it is coming from lemmynsfw. If so then it may well be best to defederate in the short term to buy time for a better solution (like marking everything from there NSFW automatically, either by a lemmy enhancement on their end or a kbin enhancement here)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have plans on adding another admin to help with moderation?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Definitely, in the upcoming days, apart from staying in close contact with the maintainers, I would like a;so to build a moderation team. That is a priority. However, I first need to urgently address and take care of a few matters.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IFTAS (about.iftas.org) may be able to help with this, happy to discuss.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

@jazmichaelking Thank you, I will look into it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks for answering, keep it up!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure I've seen any spam tbh. but nsfw I see a lot of on here. most of it's properly marked so it's easily hidden. some of it isn't.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bizarrely I think this is an example of the success of the services as they grow. Increase in use reveals problems that people didn't realise were there, which allows them to be fixed.

In this case, NSFW tags not being applied manually. As others have pointed out, NSFW tags might be better applied globally depending on either the hosting service &/or community.

It's a test of the fediverse which I have no doubt will be resolved.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You already can mark entire subs as NSFW. I think the problem is that a bunch of folks created subs that weren't marked as such.

Though with federation, it's always hard to say just what features other people have. I only personally verified that kbin lets you mark subs as NSFW, but someone told me Lemmy does, too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just an individual opinion but I see way less spam than I see on Reddit when I sort top past hour. I haven't seen any advertisements yet for t-shirts or mugs. I've seen a couple of meme channels that I have blocked. I've seen very little racist postings. I see some diverse political commentary. I have seen very little or no troll posting within comment chains.

I find the amount of people coming here and criticizing the activity pub protocols and the apps that are using them seem to have an agenda. We're living in an ecosystem that is basically getting its first real test. Tools will be built to address these things as time goes on.

Another thing people don't talk about is the amount of moderation that's needed on Reddit to keep it semi-usable. A lot of those moderators have now left and have been replaced with lower tier mods. A lot of the auto mod tools are going to stop working in a couple of weeks. This is only the beginning. I already see a large change in what shows up in Hot or r/all. A lot of us didn't like the way Reddit has become anyway. All it is now is a vehicle to push ads and it's no longer about community and discussion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I've seen some business type posts on microblogs but I think they're coming from mastodon instances.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (18 children)

fwiw i blocked the lemmynsfw.com domain from view and I haven't seen a single instance of nsfw since

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Defederate, massively

Beehaw has more than 380 instances blocked. I don't think that kbin blocks anything, where can we see the list?

edit: I see a lot of downvote. You DO understand that some instances are sharing lolita stuff and the police can close the servers of Ernest depending on what is federated? Right?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

I think defederating may be knee jerk at this stage? Beehaw seems to have defederated because they vet users and are worried about unvetted users flooding their service; that's a fundamental community position rather than a fediverse issue. In this case it's more about tags not being applied correctly and how to improve that process (e.g. automation based on server or community posted to).

Defederating or blocking specific instances/servers seems like it should be a last resort - e.g. if a service is lax about moderation or refuses to deal with issues then it makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean you can do it yourself. I turned federation status off for me to get a feel for kbin, interact here and see whats on here. If I get bored I might turn it back on and see what's happening in other places.

This is good imo. Let the user decide what they want to see.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How do you do that? I was looking for exactly that feature but can't find a "local list", which only shows kbin threads or something similar.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I think that this button defederate your content, not the content from other instances.

if you want to block another instance, you can click on its domain name (between bracket) and block it. like you'll block usual magazine

you can also type this in your url to access a domain : https://kbin.social/d/name of the domain like kbin.social or lemmy.whatever

then you can check the magazines and domains you blocked in your profile's settings.

but it's still a bit buggy and need some work to work correctly.

EDIT: this doesn't block the instance, but only the domain. new tool coming soon, confirmed by the main dev:

domain blocking existed long before federation. It serves as a way to block sources like youtube.com, spotify.com. Blocking instances will be a separate option in the user profile soon. I will submit a pull request.

https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/118#issuecomment-942720

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That federation button switched to “off” will not show content on home feed from the other instances.

I had the same question and posted it in meta, a kind user let me know and it works great. I prefer kbin’s feed.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Click the little triangle in the top right corner just under the search button. There's an option to turn federation on or off.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I disagree. I really think closing ourselves off to a bunch of places goes against the spirit of the fediverse. I want to be getting content from a lot of places which I can then filter out and control myself, and I feel like kbin supports that mindset well. I understand why some would want to defederate and close themselves off, but I don't want kbin.social turning into beehaw. If you're looking for a more controlled instance, join them

These platforms are still pretty early in their infancy and I don't think they were quite mature enough to take on this sudden influx of users (through no fault of anyone). There's going to be some growing pains but we'll get through it and this platform will get better from it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To the contrary: defederation from instances in situations like this is very much in the spirit of the the fediverse. Not attaching NSFW tags to NSFW content is a major moderation fail by lemmynsfw, and restricting content from badly-moderated instances until they get things cleaned up is something that frequently happens.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You're confusing "do not massively defederate" with "do not defederate at all"

We should defederate from obviously problematic instances. We should not defederate in the fashion that beehaw is

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't call it a fail per se considering how there's NSFW literally in the URL. If your whole instance is about NSFW content, then marking individual content NSFW becomes moot.

That said there should definitely be instance level NSFW flags for federation purposes.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think that you fully understand the scale of illegal stuff that is transiting on the fediverse, and by illegal I mean "FBI illegal". You don't want it stored on Ernest's servers. Some instances are blocked for a very good reason, even you would agree.

BTW I already switch to defederate and I blocked NSFW, but we all have to take into consideration the risks for Ernest, because in fine he is the one hosting the pictures.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Defederating from problematic instances that are promoting illegal activity that would attract the FBI is a bit different from "Defederate, massively".

Intentionally or not you're making it sound like if we don't follow beehaw's lead the FBI is going to be after ernest, who lives in a different continent and even has the project partially funded on a grant

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

kbin allows you to disable federation on your front end and also to block specific domains if you so wish. I assume the philosophy for now is to handle it on a per-user basis.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't want kbin to blanked ban adult content. There's filters for exactly that reason if you don't want to see it. If that's not enough, then go to beehaw or other highly restrictive instances.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with OP, seeing lots of pics on the front page, something does need to be done, if not, I foresee restrictions on the horizon

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, people forget to mark their posts as nsfw.
What us users can do now is: go to the post and tell the OP to mark it as nsfw.
Hopefully moderation will improve with time to fight off these problems.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And if admins set the default to nfsw?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I joined the site today and it is pushing unsolicited furry porn at me on every page.

There's probably a way I can opt out of this shit, but that is not good enough if we want normal human beings to join this place. NSFW stuff needs to be properly tagged and invisible by default.

I can't use the site in this state in any public setting and I certainly can't recommend others make the migration.

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