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[–] [email protected] 281 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but I love self-checkout systems when they're available and used correctly. My local supermarket closed 2 10-item-or-less lanes and put 6 self-checkouts in the same space. I probably make 2 trips/week to the store for fewer than 10 items, and being able to check myself out has been a huge time saver. There are still another 8 lanes with cashiers for larger shopping trips. If the supermarket can avoid the race to the bottom thinking of "well, we replaced 2 lanes, maybe we can also replace the other 8), it'll be a nice compromise.

Now contrast that with my local Home Depot, which typically has 1-2 cashiers MAX at any given time. They have turned the checkout process into a tedious pain in the ass, and I've more or less stopped shopping there as a result.

[–] [email protected] 142 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

When self-checkouts were first rolled out, my friends and I loved them.

As twenty-something introverted nerds, it helped a lot when buying "embarrassing" things like condoms.

You didn't have to have the checkout person giving you the stink-eye because they're ultra religious or something.

Now, twenty-some years on, they've been abused to the point that some places they're all that's ever open, Target and Walmart seem to be the biggest offenders there. When there's a line down three different aisles because the self-checked is so backed up, it's defeated the purpose of creating "efficiency."

However, I've noticed that about a lot of business practices lately. We've rounded the bend and they're still doing things that aren't actually producing efficiency anymore. Like staffing with nothing but a skeleton crew, so anytime someone calls out sick, everything falls apart because you're short a person. Personal opinion, but if one person missing work wrecks everything, that's not an efficient way to schedule people.

It's proof that these MBA business school chucklefucks are just repeating the shit they tell each other ad nauseum, because when it comes to real-world results the results are abysmal and inefficient.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

No it's probably the method that lands the most euros into the shareholders pockets, regardless of the effects in other places. Dollarstore in the US is this but then at an extreme, John Oliver did a nice piece on it.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Walmart self checkout layout is generally just bad. Because they are paranoid about theft, it's setup to make it easy for the worker monitoring to make sure nothing fishy is going on. However, that means that the customers that want to checkout often can't see what's open.

This creates lines as the machines aren't fully utilized.

But further, it's often the case that for whatever reason these machines need an employee to interact. With 10 machines running at full capacity, that means longer waits for everyone because 3 machines are waiting for an id badge scan.

Walmart can solve some of these problems with more employees but that cost money.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Walmart is the only place where I've been stopped during the checkout process because the camera system thinks I'm stealing.

I'm a nerd that tries to minmax my self checkout by putting items in the cart or handbasket in a manner conducive to efficient removal. I'll position the cart on my left, scanner in front, bags on right, and go as fast as the scanner will register the barcode and display the item on screen.

This works wonderfully everywhere else and I find it rather fun. I can count on Walmart to flag me at least once every trip (even though I slow down there for this reason), with the screen showing the flashing "POSSIBLE THEFT" message and video of me swiping an item quickly across the reader.

Maybe I should start parking the cart in the middle of the pathway like every other Walmart shopper and taking twenty seconds to dig every item out of the bottom of the cart before meandering around looking for where I set down the handheld scanner.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My supermarket implemented these barcode scanner you can carry in the store so that you can scan and put your stuff in your grocery bags in your cart as you go, as well as some scales so that you can also scan those items paid by weight, which you can then scan at the self-checkout terminal. They also spot-check every 4th scanners and scan for random items in the cart to make sure you actually added them to your list as a theft-deterrent.

It's way faster and less finicky than dealing with the scale that checks if you added the item you just scanned (and complains often that something's wrong).

I hope this kind of system will stay, it's really nice going to a self-checkout terminal and pay with your bags already filled.

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 10 months ago (31 children)

Fuck this bullshit article.

I fucking love self service. I don't want to deal with people.

Just let me buy my stuff and get out. I don't want or need small talk.

I want the disgusting supermarket shop to be as cold and sterile as possible.

I bring my own bag. I'd Honestly rather just scan everything as I go. And just pay as I walk out.

Current system is stupid. Walk around shop picking things up. Then take everything out and rebag

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (3 children)

There are stores trialling exactly your preferred method. One of my local supermarket chains has portable barcode scanners on a wall. You pick one up, scan your groceries as you collect them, then take the scanner to a self checkout that links to the scanner. At that point you pay for your items and leave.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

Best Buy started doing this with their app. I've used it multiple times already. It's so convenient. Scan the barcode with your camera in the app, it adds to the cart, pay when you're done.

Anecdotal experience: Unfortunately, products that are locked up create a problem. I went in for two items. One of which was a single RAM stick for laptops. The employee refused to give me it even though I was literally going to pay for it on the spot as I had already collected the other item I wanted. He insisted it goes to the register per policy. I quickly got the barcode as he held it, then paid. "There. Paid for. See" as I showed him the screen. Dude was so annoyed as he handed me the RAM.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Oh no, did your attempt to cut labor costs and make shoppers do more of the labor that checkers used to do end up increasing shrink?

Oh no, how awful for you that you aren't able to properly afford more *checks notes... Stock Buybacks.

This is how I imagine retailers complaining about this.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not only that, but the reduced shrink during Covid, tucked up to "normal" levels.. but this was then presented as a 100pct increase compared to last year.. and thus a huuuge increase.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Sounds like low trust society issues to be honest. I only see those systems expanding in Switzerland, and they never use annoying scales or complain about unexpected items, because there aren't even any sensors for that.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Here in Finland handheld scanners have been getting added to more shops, you grab one, scan and bag as you go, and at the end you return the scanner and pay it all at once.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, anything that allows a Swiss person to avoid small talk will be overwhelming popular.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I love self-checkout. Faster, don't have to rush because someone is waiting for me, don't have to interact with people, can easily double check it had the correct price etc. They're fantastic

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It's faster until you need the human operator to keep coming over because the anti-theft sensors keep getting tripped up by false positive readings. Or you need to find some vegetable code that a normal cashier has memorized.

Self checkout is great when it's done well, and total shit when poorly executed. And unfortunately, it's not always just a matter of technology (which normally keeps improving); it's often a matter of business model: sometimes customer convenience is really important, other times loss prevention (which creates frustration) is more important.

I've seen countless good self-checkout experiences backslide into crap experience because the business felt that a controlled client is more profitable than a convenienced client.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I don't mind self checkout.

I mind that I need the one employee overseeing 12 checkouts every other scan because the system decides something is wonky. I mind that it now has AI that assures said single employee that I'm fleecing them for an $0.80 can of tomato sauce and I now have to wait for this person to dig through my 3 bags looking for this hoisted sauce.

If they're so determined that every customer is lifting everything at checkout all the time - if only there was a way they could have an employee verify every item gets scanned, every time, perhaps by doing it themselves. Then we could wait in a line and feed our items to them so they can rest easy knowing everything was scanned appropriately. Oh, what science fiction Dreams I have.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago (16 children)

What are they talking about, self checkouts are great. It makes the shopping experience more fair for those with fewer items

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago (8 children)

The only people I've ever encountered IRL or online that can't stand self check out are dumbass boomers that can't figure out how to use them correctly. This article has the same energy as those articles that claim people don't want to work from home.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (8 children)

My only critique of self checkout is, when the machine has an error, or if I'm buying alcohol, I have to wait 5 minutes for someone to come fix the problem because there's 10 self checkout kiosks, but only one employee tending them.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I almost exclusivity self-checkout for groceries, and it had drastically sped up my checkout time as most people in my area opt to use traditional checkout and the stores are still keeping lots of lanes open (just closing the express lanes). The last 3 times I've used a non-self checkout, each time I was double charged for items or didn't have reduced prices applied and didn't notice because I was bagging.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Ehm, it's pretty much a success where I'm from. Sounds more like a personal opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Usually I quite like self check

Except at ALDI.

Before they put in self check the cashiers sped through transactions at lightning speed. Now they've cut the number of cashiers and people sit at SCO slowly scanning and bagging everything....

It's ALDI bruh scan that shit and go to the bagging counter.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don’t get their point that shoppers “need to be socialized into using self-checkout”. Who ever needed to be persuaded? It’s just that they try hard to make it painful. Self checkout was always an over-complicated conglomeration of parts with poor usability, then poorly thought out additions to try to control theft and no counter space . It just never works well. Maybe we should “socialize” retailers into getting their shit together she it can work more smoothly

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago

I think self checkout is a good way for stores to get more customers through faster but the stores seem to think they are a replacement for human cashiers and they are not at all. They are nice to have in addition to human cashiers.

[–] notasandwich1948 40 points 10 months ago

self checkout is a default for me

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I hate self checkout because they make the system frustrating as if they don’t trust you. Which they don’t. So they make it weigh items and it yells if you’re too slow putting the item in the bagging area.

If you don’t trust me to do it. Pay someone else to do it.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (3 children)

My own bag. Hand scanner. Zip through the store while loading my bag. Easy check out. Hell no I don't want to use the cashier line.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (7 children)

This seems to be an implementation issue. In my neighbourhood discounter, in Germany, there's three self-checkouts and while they're a bit small they also don't do any of that weighing and whatnot bullshit: You scan your stuff, pay, done. The only thing they can't do is apply best-before rebates.

There's also always a manned till open (or at the very least, when things are slow, a worker hanging out in the vicinity). In practice if the queue is empty you go there, if you have lots of stuff you go there (because it's bound to be faster as you can focus on packing while things get scanned), otherwise you have the choice to use self-checkout. Never had to stand in line for self-checkout, before that happens they open another manned till. What the self-checkouts do is keep small purchases away from the manned tills when they're busy which is exactly what they're good for. I

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (7 children)

In my country, it's a huge success. People love it at the point that even Aldi and Lidl implemented the system.

But, the huge difference with the US is cultural. People coming here from abroad have a hard time to make local friends. It can take up to 10 years to make one.

My guess is that people love the lack of social contact more than self checkout itself.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (19 children)

I don't recognize these pain points. I always use the self checkout and it's usually quick and painless. My experience is.

Edit: seems I made the assumption that everyone uses wireless scanner handles.

  1. When we enter the store we scan the ID to get a wireless scanner handle.
  2. Collect your wares, scan with the handle, placing them directly into the bags along the way.
  3. Put the handle back and blip your membership id (card or qr code on phone) again to start the checkout.
  4. Blip your payment card.
  5. Walk out

Every once in a while I get caught in a random check, which is kind of a pain, but it's so infrequent that it is acceptable.

Is this not how it usually works?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Self checkout is just fine, as long as you have enough of them.

Even better are the handsets you can take around the shop and scan as you go, as nobody wants to really be doing an entire trolley at the self checkout.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Failure?? It’s in every store in the world

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is the second article in the last month I've found here on the Fediverse pronouncing the death of self checkout and honestly I just don't see it. Most of the stores around me have only just recently expanded their self-checkout areas and I vastly prefer using it unless I've got more than 25 items.

I'd honestly probably stop going to a store that decided to not allow me to check out on my own. Small talk and having to make a minimum wage worker suffer through it is just not something I want when I'm running to the store for a gallon of milk. I vastly prefer being able to throw in some earbuds, get my shopping, check out, and get out to having to interact with anyone while I'm just trying get my shit.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I love self checkout, I can steal from corporations with plausible deniability

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (5 children)

They let me avoid human interaction if I choose, AND they’ve hurt these big retailers while showing them the value of giving people more shifts/hours?

Spectacular success if you ask me! It would be fun to have worked on this tech and then see it helping others by failing or being sabotaged, lol. That’s not a feeling you usually expect when you launch a product.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

This article really sounds like it describes an alternate reality to me. Interesting to see how many people in the comments seem to hate self checkouts but here in the UK they seem to work fine. Shops seem to have found the right balance. In the same shop you'll have queues advancing rapidly at self checkouts and people run tills with shorter queues for customers who prefer the human interaction.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Hasn't it?

They're always faster than the queue for the cashiers, and they work fine.

The only issue I've had recently is they stopped taking cash for some reason, and I pay in cash. But besides that, they're fast and work great.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (9 children)

As a customer, I 💕 self checkout: the great divide between fast and slow

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Self checkout could be fine, the failure is capitalism/corporations in execution

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yea, no. The supermarket I shop at, I just scan everything with my phone as I go, scan a QR code at self checkout and pay.

Worst case I have to wait 2 minutes for someone to do a verification scan (5 random items crom my bag) or wait for them to verify my age.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Maybe this is just a British thing? They're very popular here in NZ

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I love self-checkout, because I hate waiting in line.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I don't like to interact with people, but I also don't like to work for free for the owner of the chain, so I take one for the comrades and interact with the cashier.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

As someone who has shoped in the us but lives in europe, that only applies to the us. Self checkout is objectively bad in the us. Here, it is actually pretty good. The only anti theft mechanism is a random check wich happens like once a year to me, no weighing bs. Especially, if you use the option to scan while shopping with your phone or scanner device. Then you just pay in the app and leave, no hastle at the cash register.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

You can really tell these days who has never worked in a grocery store or restaurant before.

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