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There are lots of people on there I would like to follow, but they wont be joining the fediverse and I don't want to make a Threads account myself either.

Me. Are there any small instances that won't defed?

Lots of illustrators and writers have Threads and Instagram because it's where the money is. They rely on that kind of exposure to sell and show their work. Following from Mastodon without a Threads account would be awesome.

Not to mention that many Mastodon users are ridiculously "purists" saying that no ad or sell should be on the network, ever, and are actively hostile to the small guys trying to make a living here. I agreed that big corps can fuck off because they overdo ads, but the small guy selling his weird contraptions or custom phone cases should see Mastodon as an alternative. But the truth is that they won't.

Here's an example I can see happening.

Threads will want to implement post reactions to maintain parity with Facebook. Threads expands the ActivityPub spec to include reactions.

Now, every other instance will not be compatible with reactions. Users complain they cannot see reactions.

Admins have two choices now:

• Refuse to implement reactions because they are not part of the spec. Users leave and join threads.

• ActivityPub adds reactions to the standard, all instances must now support reactions. Meta has now started dictating the spec.

I feel the XMP fears do have some sentiment, and it's really a matter of how the broad username interprets these issues (including the Thread users which would be family and friends).

i just want to point out that, in the same way XMP is not a valid example of EEE, neither is Flipboard a good example of a massive megacorp federating. Flipboard’s algorithms have never incited violence in Myanmar and that makes 100% of the difference.

my concern is not EEE, and I agree that i don’t get why that’s the focus.

my concern is that we are dealing with Meta—an absolutely massive, soulless corporation which has shown dozen upon hundreds of times that it will prioritize the growth of its shareholders’ paycheck well before the afterthought of caring if its algorithms end up wreaking addiction and violence.

call that FUD if you want, i call it learning from well-documented experience.

Others have given technical ways fb can eee, but I'm more concerned about rapid uncontrolled growth and corporate political sanitization.

Say you have a community dedicated to pointing out corporate greed. Your community federates with threads and wow it's really taken off suddenly you have gone from hundreds of up votes to tens of thousands of them. Wow this is great, but huh, why has my post about Facebook only got 3 up votes. Huh why does the word communism spawn a 200 comment chain of alt righters yelling. Why is there an obviously sponsored post at the top. Why is everyone saying "unalived" and using 🍉 instead of 🇵🇸.

Same with mine! I don't think it was ever considered an option not to, and I madly respect that

Same with lemmy.ca

I want my insurance to defederate

Yeah, State Farm needs to get their shit together

I understand you, but I specifically went to lemmy to not have any of that bullshit from Musk or Zuck or Spez. Facebook is a toxic dumpster fire(on purpose because money) Twitter is a toxic dumpster fire (because Musk is an asshole). Reddit is basically the same but the ceo is still an asshole. And I am sure that after a few years threads will follow this trend soon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

It's happened so many times, and every time people thought "this time it's different".

i think i’d 100% agree with you if: a) the fediverse wasn’t majority public facing b) meta’s past failures hadn’t impacted the material conditions and safety of real people

i get your comparisons to gmail and phone providers, but to me those two differences are fundamental. gmail is private, your phone is private, but social media is public and can be used to stir up massive misinformation campaigns, harrassment, or calls to violence.

on the same level, if any evidence that gmail or my phone provider had willingly participated in calls to violence which resulted in rape and murder, i also would want that institution to be excluded in order to guarantee the safety of my local instance’s members as well as to stop letting them profit from my existence on a federated platform.

these are the key differences that i am taking into account when i call for not federating with meta on a majority scale. what are your thoughts on them?

the “huge demand from your users” will immediately be having to deal with meta’s attrocious history with moderation and user safety being repeated.

It doesn't though? Facebook's employers and users are 100% garbage people.

am already escape facebook

i see a lot of fun over at wetdry.world

Threads and Lemmy will barely interact unless someone on threads deliberately tries to interact with Lemmy, calm down 🤣