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[–] [email protected] 143 points 8 months ago (34 children)

My wages have not gone up and the prices i pay are still going up.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad 8 points 8 months ago (4 children)

"fool! If you knew economics better you'd understand that your buying power is the wrongest metric. Look at the stonks you uncultured swine!"

-a super smart economist, probably

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I had someone try to tell me that the economy is better than ever, people are more rich than ever, and my "personal anecdotal evidence" can be completely dismissed.

It's no longer "personal anecdotal evidence" when 150,000,000 people are experiencing the same thing just in my own country.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Yeah, even as a solid dem from my perspective this reads as “report how I want it to sound”. It falls flat.

That said; the economy is doing better (but unfortunately the kind of economic improvement that helps shareholders more than regular people), inflation slowed down, unionization is on the rise, fuel prices (temporarily, as always) are down…so that’s good.

But housing or every kind is still out of control. Record profits without commensurately rising wages. New cars are still fucking ridiculous money. We’re being subscribed to death.

So from an everyday perspective we are still getting fucked.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There's not much Biden can do about late stage capitalism. We're reaching the end game. Where companies take us for just nearly everything we have to where we "survive" enough to keep working and paying them but just barely.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Pandemic-disrupted supply chains are pretty much righted. Inflation is already back near normal levels. Labor shortages have eased. The Federal Reserve is poised to cut interest rates next year.

We'll still get a thousand stories about a looming recession.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 8 months ago (43 children)

Inflation is back near normal, but prices are not, and wages have not shifted to match those prices (partially due to the government fighting "wage inflation"). People are still worse off than they used to be. I don't think this is Biden's fault, but here we are anyway.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Biden has called this out. A lot of companies are still raising prices or aren't letting prices fall. They're still saying "oh, this is inflation causing this" while their costs fall and their profits rise.

Biden can't stop them singlehandedly. (He's a President, not a Supreme Dictator.) But he can call them out on it and use what powers he has to bear down on them somewhat if they don't stop.

It might not get all of them to stop (some might risk fines because the profits would be greater), but hopefully it will direct the anger towards the actual culprits - big companies taking advantage of past inflation to raise prices.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's not why people are feeling pessimistic. Too much of the economic recovery is going to corporate profits and capitalist shareholders. The federal minimum wage is still half of a poverty wage, and the rent is still too damn high. The hyperinflation of the pandemic has made working for a living unsustainable. Taking inflation from 9% to 3% is great (setting aside for this conversation that any President shouldn't really take credit for economic matters) but it's reduce the rate at which a bad thing is getting worse. Existence is still unaffordable even with everybody employed. That's not spin, that's just the reality we've all been living in for a long time. The twin disasters of Trump and the pandemic put it all in stark relief, laying bare the grift of conservativism.

Biden is struggling because he's trying to play old politics. We've crossed the rubicon. Going back to normal isn't enough for people to feel hopeful, and reducing the rate of collapse isn't leadership. Biden thinks being at the helm while the ship slowly rights itself is the same as leadership, and there are enough people attacking him from the extreme other side that nobody is particularly happy with him.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The looming recession talk is over. They’re ready to start making real money in the stock market again and are tired of the impact the recession talk had this year. It’s no surprise that it’s been about bang on a year since the recession talk started as we came into 2023 and the stock market hit record highs as we’re coming into 2024.

It was all fabricated for… reasons. Big orgs wanted to lay people off for some reason. Investment bankers wanted to gobble up securities for cheaper. Real estate firms wanted to drive down the real cost of homes (higher interest rates = lower sale price but higher cost to families, firms benefit by paying cash). They wanted it so they made it happen. They no longer want it so it’ll end.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (8 children)

That's true but peoples wages haven't gone up at a rate that keeps pace so everyone still feels poor and can't buy the things they need. That's the big issue. That's not been fixed and there is no plan to fix it. Now we all just have to wait around until our wages start to increase but we all know how long that takes.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (18 children)

Americans are not stupid. You will not convince them the economy is good by spitting out some numbers twisted from the data. They feel it. They know how easy or hard it is to make ends meet. They know their rent goes up every year while their wages do not.

And the harder is gets, the more radical the population becomes. Establishment democrats like Biden will not be able to maintain the status quo. Normally I wouldn't care but their incompetence has consequences. A Trump victory at this point may signal the end of the US as we know it. We cannot continue to stay asleep at the wheel.

Your purchasing power has fallen over 20% in the last 3 years. We're talking and average of around 7% real inflation per year. Not the official "~3%" the government puts out. That's over 3x higher than average over the last 4 decades.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A new pet peeve. Not slamming, or blasting, but RIPPING. He tore these fuckers' jugulars out y'all!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Translation: "we spent all this time massaging CPI and GDP, yall better report how great the economy is now!"

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When they report that the economy is great, always ask for whom...

[–] ryathal 12 points 8 months ago

If you have to tell people how great the economy is, it's not that great.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


President Biden criticized news coverage of the U.S. economy as he faces growing backlash from voters over his handling of inflation.

In brief remarks Saturday before boarding the presidential helicopter, Biden expressed confidence in the economy and ripped the reporters for the way it has been portrayed.

The economy has roared back from the COVID-19 recession under Biden, who enacted legislation for trillions of dollars of economic relief and investments shortly after taking office in 2021.

Biden and his Democratic allies have largely blamed the media and Republican critics for skewing the public’s views on the economy by exaggerating recession fears and dismissing record-setting job growth.

Pandemic stimulus and restrictions also fueled a surge in home prices and rents, deepening an affordable housing crisis that began long before COVID-19.

Many voters are also struggling with the long-term changes to their jobs and industries caused by COVID-19, along with the lapse of economic relief programs that temporarily lifted millions of Americans out of poverty.


The original article contains 473 words, the summary contains 163 words. Saved 66%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"My numbers are dropping! This is not my fault! Release more articles telling them the economy is great and it's all in their heads!"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If Biden wants the media to cover him better he needs to do what Republicans do: give them a simple message. The other day I saw a Biden "I did that!" sticker on a national park fee payment station. Blatantly untrue? Yes. But it's simple and people aren't going to research or even think about whether park fees are Biden's fault.

"The economy sucks and it's the president's fault" is a simple message. But:

The U.S. unemployment rate was just 3.7 percent in November — barely above the pre-pandemic level of 3.5 percent, which was a five-decade low. Annual inflation has also fallen sharply from a peak of 9.1 percent in June 2022 to 3.1 percent in November, and the economy has defied widespread predictions of a recession.

These numbers will just be ignored. They don't fit in a headline or even an unpaid tweet. And I find people's natural reaction to numbers is to distrust them. "Yeah, but that's not the real unemployment/inflation/GDP/etc".

As for what that simple message can be, I have no idea. "Rising employment, plummeting inflation" might be an option, I dunno. But he needs to get someone in charge of messaging who will simplify things.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

The problem is the economy is good in metrics but not for the individual. Corporate greed is leaving most Americans worse off despite the "good" economy

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