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Classroom massacre: Survivors say Israel executed innocents in Gaza school (www.aljazeera.com)

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[–] winterayars 33 points 11 months ago

Presumably the IDF will explain that they were all Hamas commanders.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

War criminals commit war crimes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

These are starting to give me nightmares.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Here's a link to a less biased source of the same story.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The fog of war is thick in Gaza; we should be careful what we believe.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Which part are you trying to be careful with believing? The dead bodies are on camera.

If the part in question is who killed them, there are multiple witnesses saying it was Israeli forces. But let's assume they are all lying, or were deceived by Hamas: why would Hamas interrogate and kill Palestinian women and children? If anything, they would use them as body shields, no? They can hide out in schools and hospitals so that in order for Israel to attack them, they'd have to kill innocent people too. And to think Hamas would do it to make Israel "look bad" seems interesting. It's not like any war crime charges are going to be brought to Israel. Maybe they want more citizens of other countries to get riled up to get their governments to stop funding Israel, but that seems like a lot of forethought for Hamas, no? And to also guarantee all the witnesses would claim it was Israeli forces?

Does it not make more sense for it to have just been Israeli forces? Do you sincerely believe some Israeli troops would never do such a thing?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

In great part thanks to israel killing journalists and otherwise impeding their journalism.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

People here really will just believe anything anyone says as long as it supports their worldview. This place is no different from Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Al Jazera say they have video and pictures. Are you saying AJ are making it up, or Hamas killed the Palestinians? Maybe they all shot themselves?

[+] [email protected] -38 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Not to be nit picky but point blank is "within lethal range". If it can kill you it is within point blank range. You could be half a mile away and still be within point blank range.

[–] otp 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

According to Oxford Dictionary (via Google), point blank means "very close". This would be the layman's definition.

The official definition (per Wikipedia) is close enough to not have to compensate for the effects of gravity on the bullet when aiming.

So no, it's not "within lethal range".

[+] [email protected] -11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

https://www.hunter-ed.com/muzzleloader/studyGuide/Understanding-Maximum-Point-Blank-Range/222099_88863/

I dont give a flying fuck about popluar usage since litereally can mean literally not literally.

https://www.quora.com/How-far-is-point-blank-range

Taking something I didn't write to extrapolate on the words.

"Defined, point blank range is the range at which you don’t need to aim high or low to hit your aiming point. Maximum Point Blank Range (MPBR) is simply the farthest end of that distance.

Point-blank range will vary by a weapon's external ballistic characteristics and target chosen. A weapon with a flatter trajectory will permit a longer maximum point-blank range for a given target size, while a larger target will allow a longer point-blank range for a given weapon. In popular usage, point-blank range has come to mean extremely close range with a firearm, yet not close enough to be a contact shot.

For instance, “point blank range” for a handgun may be up to 25 yards if the gun has been sighted in to hit the target at that range when aimed. For a hunting rifle, that distance may be 100 yards or 200 yards, depending on which distance the rifle’s sights are adjusted.

Bullets typically fly in an arc from the muzzle and descend to their target due to air resistance and gravity. The chart below shows the trajectory of a .30–30 cartridge where the rifle is “zeroed” to hit at 200 yards. Note the point of impact is higher at 100 yards and falls off rapidly after 200 yards. If you wanted to hit a target at 300 yards, you’d have to aim about 17.4″ high with the gun sighted in for 200 yards.

The “rise” at 100 yards isn’t huge, so if you’re just trying to hit an 8″ diameter target at 100 yards you could do so without aiming high or low (point blank). But if your target is small, about 2–3″ across, your “point blank” range narrows to a zone that is at 200 yards ±10–15 yards.

In terms of popular usage, however, it means you’re shooting a weapon at a distance were you almost “can’t miss” but the distance is greater than a contact shot.

For a large gun, like the Rheinmetall Rh-120 (US M256), a 120mm smoothbore anti-tank gun with an effective range of up to 8000 meters, point blank may be on the order of 1000–1100 meters if bore-sighted to a large target like a building."

So....... You could be with in 2 feet or 200 feet depending on sighting already calibrated.... You could be 10 feet from a air rifle.... You could be 100 With a handgun and 500 with a rifle. And have it still be "qualified" as point blank. Its a sensationalist use of the phrase. Try using different ones. That mean what your trying to convey. Like murdered from close enough to have touched.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's an awful lots of words just to say "I'm a dumb fuck"

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago

Self descriptive your retort. Learn to read

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Hey folks, not that y'all seem to need it with the way the votes are. But your friendly local Combat Vet here confirming this guy and Quora are once again, full of shit. The aim point definition is for the closer of the two points in a ballistic trajectory. Most Western militaries zero their rifles at about 25 meters and have a corresponding point at about 300/400 meters. The far end of the arc is in no way point blank and most soldiers will have trouble hitting it. 25 meters is point blank and if you can't properly identify people at 25 meters then you need to be removed from the military.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente 10 points 11 months ago

It means the target is close enough that you don't need to adjust for drop, you can just point and shoot

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's an impressive amount of bullshit to try and defend war criminals.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

"Not to be nit picky" proceeds to nit pick and be wrong about the subject you're nit picking...

Merrium Webster: a: marked by no appreciable drop below initial horizontal line of flight; b: so close to a target that a missile fired will travel in a straight line to the mark
Cambridge: aimed or fired directly at from a close position
Dictionary.com: aimed or fired straight at the mark especially from close range; direct.

Imagine a journalist using a dictionary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Fucking Walt who doesn't know shit.