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I’m a Mac user and let me tell you, it could easily be an osx device. Those friggin updates take forever, and can be forced on you with no warning.
Mac updates are weirdly slow.
Full Mac updates not only usually update the entirety of the system and then run an SIP check, but often are firmware updates for the hardware, that’s why they now have a separate setup for quick security updates, which often happen in the background, without a full update required: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102657
Thanks! I suspected they were doing something under the hood but they are not as overtly transparent in this process.
Good info, thanks.
Any idea why it takes so long to install the OS from a fast USB drive (around 45 minutes)? The same drive installs win10 in under 5 minutes.
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I think you've got a setting wrong. I've got mine set to download only. So it just downloads the update in the background and notifies me. I have even left that notification sitting there for months before without it forcing or nagging me.
You can turn off automatic updates, but it will still give you a notification when there is one so you can make it update at night.
Also, OS X? Is the OS 10.X or you're just referring to it as OS X. Because in newer macOS versions, I can confirm the automatic updates do it at night when you're not using the computer.
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That ignore system messages. This post will be anecdotal, but I can't ever get my systems to suddenly restart or reinstall the bloatware apps like some people claim theirs do. It honestly seems like it's "power users" fucking with things that they don't actually understand, and then complaining that things aren't working the way they expect.
We have 5 Windows 11 systems in our household, and 2 family members that are terrible with computers. None of them act the way some randoms on the Internet claim Windows 11 does with updates all the time. And everyone I personally know doesn't seem to have these issues either. But we're also not installing random patches or messing with settings that don't have a natural and intentional UI element.
All of our systems I help with for family and friends update on their own, and prompt when a restart is needed, including a button to delay the restart. If ignored, it prompts after a day or so again and only if ignored or delayed for an extended period will eventually give a countdown to a forced restart. I only noticed the countdown because I was explicitly trying to reproduce what people online claim about it suddenly restarting while using it. And at that point it WILL restart even in use, but that's after an extended period, multiple days, of ignoring notifications about it.
I also don't have issues on my systems with those annoying bloatware app links (like Candy Crush) reinstalling, etc. on their own. I turned off the various advertising settings in the settings menus and uninstalled the app links like normal. They've never returned.
Since I've been completely unable to reproduce these relatively common complaints on multiple systems myself, I can only assume people are adjusting settings or installing various patches from the Internet that mess with things that aren't intended to be user-facing and that ends up causing issues. Like the infinite number of patches to remove telemetry, etc. that people don't know what's actually being changed by it, but install for privacy.
Agreed.
I'm a professional IT tech and see a lot of desktops during the week including my own.
We have some Windows PCs that still had 1809 installed because Windows does not manage to update itself without being forced to search.
What troubles me is the fact that there is no way to turn off updates and just update when I want it to. Hell, even Android has that. I want to update when I want to, not when MS sees fit to update my operating system.
To be honest, that's probably because of those "power users" just following online instructions that don't understand what things do. The ones who then never update, probably because they forget about it, and put everyone else at risk with extremely out of date systems that end up being breached and used in things like botnets. The number of extremely outdated but supported Windows systems in the wild is still way too high to ignore.
You can set your internet connection to be metered, and set it to not download updates over metered connections. Not quite the same, and that may affect some other stuff, but something to look into if you haven't already. For actual power users, there's also ways to operate your own WSUS locally for centralized update management, primarily meant for organizations but easy enough to setup in a home lab for those that should be tinkering with that stuff.
Looking in these settings again, it's been a while since I've been in there, it also looks like there's a specific setting that enables the system to restart immediately, ignoring the active hours setting. I wonder how many of those complaining have that setting enabled? Or have their active hours set weirdly in the first place.
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I mostly agree with you. But something like 3 years ago, I remember letting my PC run while I was gathering seats over night. There was no previous "restart now" or even "update now". However, in the morning, I found the PC had restarted too install an update. And that was the standard setting back then. I changed it to only prompt that there are updates since, and AFAIR that setting was "reset" 1 or 2 times ever since in an update.
But seeing how absurdly niche what I do is, I doubt that random users will care. And sadly they need to be forced to update for the sake of all of us.
As a Linux user, I cannot relate
As a Windows 10 user who only enabled security updates neither can I.
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I’m here to make sure most comments here have the word “Linux” in it.
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
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After switching to Linux a month ago, I can finally participate in the circle jerking:
Forced updates? Haha lol. That's such a Windows user thing to say.
> chad GNU/Linux respecting my preferences.
> only updates when I do sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade.
> finishes updating kernel and 150 packages in less than 5 minutes whilst I'm merging a pr.
> I close computer when I'm done, unaware of updates.
> open it up next day and it starts like nothing happened.
> mfw I read this post
My update failed for some unforeseen bug in the software
nixos-rebuild switch --rollback
Back in business as if nothing happened
Maybe it's because I use Linux but I can't relate (anymore). So glad I'll never have to sit through another forced windows update 😌
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Confused in linux?
linux user be like: loser
I might be a Linux user but Nvidia makes sure it takes forever to boot when there's a new update. Fuck you Nvidia
I use linux, but can somewhat relate because i have a weird AM5 motherboard that shows 0-4 minutes of "DRAM ERROR" before posting
I'm pretty sure that's a bios option. Your ram is retraining for maximum overclock. Turn it off. Live with the 1% slower performance.
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Something something Linux user, btw
At least now, when you do "update and shut down", it will first restart to actually completely finish the update and then shut down again.
Impressive!
As a Windows user, I can't relate lol I don't have this happen to me
Seriously, does anyone know about the update settings? It's not hard to make Win10 not try to update while you're using it.
And at least since Win 10 the updates take maybe 5 minutes unless you have held them off for months.
It's easier to never learn anything and complain that an OS has issues you didn't bother to learn how to overcome.
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Never had an update take 2 hours. Maybe if your using a computer from 2005.
I had an update take 3 and half hours on a 2019 laptop with a ryzen 5 3550h, 16gb of ddr4 ram and an nvme ssd.
So I moves to gentoo where if unlucky and qtwebengine needs to comiplie the update takes 5+ hours. 😌
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