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Beeper's next iMessage for Android fix requires access to a Mac (9to5google.com)

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

lol.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Makes sense because they were spoofing real machine IDs. People want to shit on apple for shutting it down, but I would be fucking pissed if I started getting other people’s messages and notifications while having mine go to someone else.

Trying to build a business off of someone else’s services is scummy and Apple did the right thing. If they weren’t charging for it I might feel differently.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If they weren’t charging for it I might feel differently.

I don't think they ever charged anybody, they suspended that idea after the first outage.

Also, they were using their own fleet of Macs, hence why Apple was able to isolate them easily if they're all centrally located.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My understanding of it (and I could be wrong I’m not that invested in this) is that the first iteration used their Mac fleet, while the second iteration was spoofing IDs. This would be the third iteration.

It was a few days ago I read this, I’d have to look up the source again

I have no problem with this third iteration. There’s plenty of Mac users with android phones. If you’re using your own machine ID, have at ‘er.

[+] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

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[+] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Its an entertaining chickens-coming-home-to-roost situation for Apple's skeleton key service and I'm glad for it to be getting some much deserved scrutiny.

On the other hand, its another distraction in the same way that "you need to update to our new iOS yeaterday spiel" is a distraction from the fact that

LockDown mode > new update/patch that doesn't address all the main attack surface vulns

Yeah, tho, I would never recommend iMessage to anyone I cared about and thats only one of the many reasons I would never give it the time of day. Signal is superior in basically every way except its not as ubiquitous but its also not a default opt-out first-party thing like iMessage.

[+] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can you flesh that out a bit more, I'm not sure what you're getting at bur I want to :)

[–] SailorMoss 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The best argument I’ve heard is that it is the one halfway decent messaging app that a lot of non-tech people use.

So either you need to explain to grandma what a discord or telegram is or you get iMessage to work on the device you want to use.

The green bubble thing is also more than just the color of the bubbles. Many of the features of iMessage don’t work if the other person is on android.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I find myself thinking the same thing every time this comes up. The level of obsession is absurd.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can tell all my friends to use the open source replacement, but network effects entrench a monopoly and Grandma is only going to use the stuff that’s preinstalled.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’m not going to be the guy harassing all my friends to go on Signal. Get real.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For years me and my friends have a number of group chats in iMessage, and about a year ago someone started hanging with our crew who has an android. I suggested signal and was pleasantly surprised how much support I got in the suggestion, both from the iPhone users dreading going green and from the android user worried about being left out. A couple people even already had it even though they didn’t use it, just tried it out after reading an article etc. anyway fast forward to now and all our group chats are in signal, and it’s been great. It’s a fantastic app, the transition was as simple as sending an invite link to the iMessage chat. We even use the stories function now and again. It’s great, I recommend giving it a try :)

I had less luck trying to get my family to switch to signal when we went green, but there’s a lot more tech-challenged people in that group. However most already had what’s app for international use, and moving to that was super easy - i would still prefer signal over giving my contacts list to meta, but the chats and backups are e2e so I’ll take it over sms/unencrypted rcs

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But but but blue bubbles.

Which I also don't understand how that of all things is so super important, frankly I hadn't even really noticed it back when I had an iPhone.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fine, you are not personally affected by it, but the social disparity that is highlighted by people's need to feel exclusive and yet part of a tribe is the reason.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That’s like complaining about not having any other premium branded item out there. If your not doing so filters people out of your life, well you just did yourself a favor.

Who gives a shit? It’s text messaging. These people need to go outside or something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I don't disagree, just explaining it, and recognising it is the sub 25 year old age bracket explains a lot.

[–] BudgetBandit 6 points 10 months ago

As a European, this sounds like a very American problem. Over here, everyone uses WhatsApp and WhatsApp only since 2012.

It’s bad. People don’t even wanna use signal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I still don’t know why anyone would go out of their way to use this. Just to be blue?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

To send high quality media messages, use group chats, and use encryption with iPhone users who refuse to install a universal chatting app.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

From what I heard, some kids are really into it and effectively blocking other kids who are not blue. So I can see some reason there.