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Turns out, the problem is unaccountable economic decision-making apparatuses in general (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

The current system is so accountable

We have pipelines exploding, oil companies buying reweable companies to shelf them so oil usage doesn't take a hit, pedestrian hostile infrastructure

Didn't the USA military lose a nuke? And like billions a year of the pentagon budget is unexplained? No no it's the Soviets that are unaccountable

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The virgin "there are only two genders" vs the chad "there are only two economic systems"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh yes let's just switch to the "accountable" economic system. It's not the current one and it's not the soviet one, that much we have figured out

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't know where you got the idea that I was saying that capitalism was accountable?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago

How many guesses do you think you'd need to figure it out

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

It's not "lost". They're safely storing it in a NC swamp. It's so secure that even they can't find it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imagine defending a failed authoritarian state that repressed and killed 10s of millions of its own people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repression_in_the_Soviet_Union

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin#:~:text=In%202003%2C%20British%20historian%20Simon,at%20least%2020%20million%20people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Soviet_Union

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You're right I do have to imagine it because I didn't do that

Edit I should have gone with a "you're just telling me this right now for the first time" meme

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Starving population, healthcare access, nuclear meltdown in the 80s, nuclear testing on (unknowing) humans, all the deregulation causing mass pollution, etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

USA losing one nuke is nothing compared to the amount the Soviets lost over the years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

USA losing ~~one nuke~~ six nukes is nothing compared to the amount the Soviets lost over the years.

FTFY.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You’ve just reserved your place in the gulag after the Revolution

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Three people are sitting in GULAG.

One says to the other, "I am in here for supporting PugJesus. What about you?"

The other says, "I am in here for opposing PugJesus."

They both turn to the third and ask him what he's in for.

PugJesus sighs.

[+] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

But western economy is planned from the top down. The illusion of choice doesn't change the economy.

The only difference is how you measure success. And understanding, no countries truly have free market systems, bcs that's not sustainable by design/logic.

And that one side always points out the flaws of the other side whilst hiding the exact same flaws at home, quietly omitting it from the records, ever already well known things.

[+] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sorry, my bad, it wasn't even my intention to disagree with you, just to add to the conversation (I'm just bad at communication in general & such mishaps aren't uncommon unfortunately).

And I too agree with you, political "democracy“ (in the proper, perfect sense) doesn't matter all that much without democracy in the economic sector (goods & services), especially with so many monopolies/oligopolies. Production as well as consumption shouldn't be concentrated (nor there be means to do so). Somehow, economy & broader goals of human kind should be the achievements we reward, not very-situational-money-grabbing as such. So even the material rewards should be related to personal service to the community or planet. By rewards I mean such finite things like the best office view or whatever (but not basic things like good food, etc).

Eg more benefits should go to the the company that got to lower their carbon footprint than to the company that didn't (people there, all stakeholders basically). What makes financial sense does not equal what is economic for the communities, species, or the planet. Or the company making better quality things that last longer (reducing garbage) but uses a bit more resources initially over the company producing low quality items that need constant replacement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mean, you can plan it from the top-down, it's just... not all that efficient.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Democratic, bottom-up plan, with help of modern computing, can work

We've never needed computers for that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, the Soviet Union did all those things long before the climate was a concern.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Climate concerns have been around in academia since at least the turn of the century, but have been in the public consciousness in the West since the 60s.
"Oops I drained an entire sea to grow cotton" probably has a common sense component to it that would suggest "Maybe this is a bad thing to do in the long term for the people living here"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Major governments caring about climate is a recent development and politics often ignores academia until issues become critical.
Learning these things often happens in hindsight. They almost certainly thought it would work out in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Dumb it down for us in the back seats pls

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Bad environmental things happen when the people in charge of industry don't have to answer to the people who are actually going to get screwed."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Merci!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

There's a saying in Russia - If a man from Norilsk gets sick put his head next to a car exhaust (to fix him)'.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente -1 points 11 months ago

Ok so first of all how dare you