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Controllers are good for FPS games, especially on PC, and we have to stop pretending like they’re not (self.unpopularopinion)

submitted 8 months ago by Icedrous to c/[email protected]

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Every time someone brings up a controller vs mouse and keyboard, most of if not all comments will push towards the OP to “switch to mouse and keyboard” because “it’s better!”

In my eyes, the person is already accustomed to controller, they’re used to the sensitivity, and if not it’s a quick change.

If they’re going to get used to mouse and keyboard they need to:

find a reasonable mouse
find a reasonable mousepad for their situation
find out if they’re a wrist aimer or an arm aimer
make sure their windows mouse sensitivity is set to 6/11 for some reason otherwise everything else will be messed up
find their “optimal sensitivity” many of which tutorials are (subjectively) hard to find (the good ones)

I’m both a controller and mouse and keyboard user but I find it easier to aim with a controller. It feels natural.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I am a lifelong controller user, and I will use it over mouse and keyboard 99.9% of the time. Even in cases where it puts me at a disadvantage. But that’s the thing: it often puts me at a disadvantage. There isn’t a controller in the world that can match the precision and speed of a mouse. Simple as that. It’s why they have the distinct advantage in FPS’s. It’s not really an opinion, it’s pretty easy to measure.

Ultimately, I think your framing is also part of the issue here. You are acting like people are saying “controllers are unusable on PC” when the reality is when people are saying “don’t use controllers” they’re saying “because they put you at a disadvantage.” That’s what they mean by “bad for FPS games.” If you want to win more, you need to use a mouse and keyboard. Simple as that. If that doesn’t matter to you, then no one cares. Unless they are stuck with you on their team and you become a liability, which I think is a very valid objection.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

If you can beat me in Quake on controller with no hacks I'll give you $100

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

some people feel natural with touch keyboard or trackpad, but that doesnt mean they arent shittier than other options

[+] [email protected] -7 points 8 months ago (6 children)

People are misunderstanding this post. Ops goal is fun, not being the best fps player they could possibly be.

Ops argument is that a mouse keyboard setup, when the goal is "fun," in their eyes, is not better.

Then, they get jumped by gamer nerds who want to statisticly prove why op is wrong, but it's just missing the point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I disagree. Playing for fun would mean using a controller. Playing for fun would mean using a mouse and keyboard. Playing for fun is NOT finding out if you use your wrist or arm to aim. Playing for fun is NOT finding optimal sensitivity. That's for competition.

He's comparing how he plays for fun with how others play for competition.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No they aren't, nothing in the ops post suggests that. It's entirely about how they play for fun and find the whole setup for playing for competition a pain and just want to play for fun

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I mean, the way they describe getting used to using a mouse seems to imply that they think anyone who suggests using a m+k combo would only do it to optimize gameplay.

I do think people are misinterpreting the post, but I think that's in no small part due to the OPs antagonistic attitude towards the subject. I think they felt attacked before they ever posted, and are responding as such.

Their case is that using a controller over a m+k is acceptable. A reasonable stance to take, and one most would find no fault with. Their argument, on the other hand, is that switching to mouse and keyboard is something done only for competitive reasons. Which is definitely something people find fault with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

What can I say, us gamer nerds feel very strongly about our input devices.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I recently played Half-Life 1 (with a mouse and keyboard) and decided to tick auto-aim on.
It's definitely more 'fun' but there wasn't ever any tension or challenge when I encountered a head crab, the aim assist basically trivialized entire classes of enemies.

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