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[–] [email protected] 193 points 8 months ago (35 children)

This is why you shouldn’t use cloud services for personal security, because the cloud is just someone else’s computer.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Also, quit putting unnecessary, Internet connected cameras indoors.

I seriously cannot fathom the amount of people that seem to want to put cameras up in their own bedrooms and just let them stream video constantly.

It has nothing to do with any serious home security, and everything to do with mindless consumerism. Hopefully it's a trend that will pass.

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[–] [email protected] 142 points 8 months ago (6 children)

LMAO don't put a fucking camera in your bedroom you dummies

[–] [email protected] 78 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Don't kink shame me! Gaping security violations get me all hot and bothered. Sometimes I check my bank account on public WiFi, just for the thrill.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Checking your bank account on public wifi is perfectly safe thanks to TLS.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

There's more to good opsec than encrypted transport, but for most people this is probably true. Maybe also avoid being in camera view especially without MFA.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Better: don't connect your cameras to the internet

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

I'd assume fucking cameras are made specifically for the bedroom.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I’m assuming they are in young children’s bedrooms. There’s only one reason to put a camera in an adult’s bedroom ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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[–] [email protected] 134 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is what you show people when they say they don’t care about privacy because they have nothing to hide.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We should compile a big list of reasons with sources on top of this one

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Thank you for this comment.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 8 months ago (7 children)

why the fuck would anyone put a camera in their bedroom, or bathroom?

Outside of people making porn, securing the entrances to a home should be sufficient, no need to video yourself sleeping.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

They may have people working in their homes whom they do not fully trust - cleaners, maids, nannies etc.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 8 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Or spirits!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh geez what do I do?? I've got an Internet connected camera in my hand right now!

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I know it's not 100% the same, but there's a website that gives you access to insecure webcams and has been for ages!

http://www.insecam.org/

Obviously these aren't hacked as per the article

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ironic that the website itself is http.

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[–] HerbalGamer 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

just looking around randomly and it's weird how many of them are private property.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why is it weird? People get cameras to protect their private property?

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Yet another reason why IoT crap sucks. You don't need to put everything on the internet. This one should be obvious.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The "S" in IOT is for "security".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Home assistant tries to keep shit local.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

depends on the device.

If the device dont provide local connection, there is nothing home assistant can do about it. Some device will also send data to the cloud even it is locally controlled by HA.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

People don't think about that. You have to register somewhere in order to use your $12.99 cam, install some app and are good to go.

How would a someone not interested in tech know that the footage data is stored on some online server and you are at the mercy of their itsec.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Which is why these companies that are marketing wifi and cloud-polling devices should be held responsible for the data breaches and regulated more rigorously.

It should be cost-prohibitive to design a smart device that sends data to a centralized server, but they do it because the upside value of having the data is so attractive. They shouldn't be allowed to hide behind a ToS agreement with mandatory arbitration when their security is inevitably breached.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Take it up with your congressman.

Seriously. It sounds like you have an informed and well-reasoned opinion. They're not 100% corrupt. And they usually only hear about tech from industry lobbyists.

Let them hear from an intelligent constituent for a change.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Why the fuck do people put security cameras in their bedrooms? It's so weird to me that people do this. Even if you think (or at least thought) that you were the only one with access to the footage, won't the presence of a camera make you feel like you're being watched? Are we not on camera enough as it is that we have to be on camera in the supposed privacy of our bedrooms? Imagine if you told George Orwell that people would willingly put cameras in their most personal and private spaces.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

Some do it to potentially document accidents - I know some racial minorities in my country that say they are accused of child abuse and investigated at the drop of the hat if they bring their kid to the doctor and they have any kind of bruise. I heard of a Muslim woman who lost custody of her kid for 48 hours until she was able to produce CCTV footage of her child breaking his arm in a playground accident, and not due to some act of child abuse.

So,, having a cam that catches your kid experiencing an innocuous fall wherever it may be in the house is a good security measure, particularly if the justice system comes at you preloaded with bias.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

it's funny the vnexpress would publish this. vietnamese people are obsessed with security cameras. they see them as a deterrent, or as a way to find the perpetrator later and get all your property back. they put them everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (15 children)

Hypothetically I want to secure my home with Cameras…

What’s the best way to do this? OSS preferably.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

So, just an FYI, I bought Eufy cameras because I believed their marketing bullshit about being secure and end-to-end encrypted. About two months later they changed how they describe their security and quietly modified their privacy policy. Turns out they're not really end-to-end encrypted and it is possible to gain access to the streams sometimes.

My recommendation, after doing my research is not to buy anything that is able to be viewed remotely. Buy something that stores the video locally, in your home. If possible, buy and install wired cameras.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

The most important thing is just to have cameras that are positioned to watch you in bed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I'm just about to setup TP-link cameras connected to Frigate (NVR software) with a Coral TPU for offline object detection. This means I can block access to internet for the cameras and use a VPN home if I want to watch them.

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