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Texas judge says Supreme Court ruling means she doesn’t have to officiate same-sex weddings (www.lgbtqnation.com)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"She was told she violated state rules about judicial impartiality because her refusal to treat LGBTQ+ people equally cast “doubt on her capacity to act impartially to persons appearing before her as a judge due to the person’s sexual orientation.” "

That's the other major issue here. By refusing to officiate same-sex weddings she is saying that she cannot be impartial on an actual court cases brought before her if they involve an LGBTQ person.

She shouldn't be a judge at all. Of course, Texas is one of only a few states where judges are elected, so you'll get crazy QAnon judges if enough psychos show up to the polls.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't even read that far but that sums up my thoughts. If she takes issues with LGBTQ+ people as an officiant, then what's to say it doesn't when she presides over a court case?

Like I don't think any self-respecting couple would want to force an unwilling officiant to wed them, for such an occasion you'd want someone there that wants to do it, right? But her unwillingness to wed people really isn't the problem here.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if someone is getting a judge to officiate a wedding, they're not doing it in a ceremony, but in a perfunctory way, at the courthouse. They literally just want to make the union legal. Which it is, even in Texas, so this judge has no standing to refuse.

I thought this already came up when that woman in Kentucky refused to sign marriage licenses for gay people, and it was ruled that while she didn't have to personally sign it, if she refused it was up to her to find someone to do it instead of her.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's fair, but even in such a scenario I wouldn't want to deal with someone so openly hostile towards me, just because I'm a connoisseur of dick.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'm not gay, nor have I ever been discriminated against for something inherent to who I am as a person, so maybe I lack the perspective to even work it out hypothetically.

Either way, I agree with everyone pointing out that her inability to do her job without bias in this aspect definitely calls into question her ability to do it in the aspect of judging cases. And "calls into question" isn't really harsh enough-- it's proof positive that she can't be unbiased in a job that requires it.

[–] PizzasDontWearCapes 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think any self-respecting couple would want to force an unwilling officiant to wed them

If the only people who can perform weddings are clergy and elected officials, they can make it so there isn't anyone to perform same-sex weddings

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which is what republican terrorists are hoping for when they pass these bills. They want to "activate" conservative christian extremists so that they deny services as a group.

Edit: pass bills, interpret laws

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Texas is also the only state where you can pick your judge. Don't like the judge in your district? Just take half a day's drive to the Panhandle for a more conservative judge.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty sure that would apply to personal business and not you know, elected officials.

Resign.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The court also said the decision only applied to a narrow selection of businesses that were related to creative expression… you’d think a judge would have noticed that.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

They are well aware of this, but they don’t care about hypocrisy or reasonableness. They’re doing this to see how far they can go.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I tend to suspect she is trying to get up to the SC on the back of 303, to then offer the Psycho Six the opportunity to either extend 303, or, in the alternative, certify an even juicier basis for discrimination, in the form of the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, officiating a wedding is acting on behalf of the state to certify a marriage, it’s not expressive content and forcing an official to do isn’t compelled speech. Creative LLC doesn’t apply here, at all.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You'd think a Judge would know the text of the 14th amendment, but this is Texas, after all.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court will probably stand by her bigotry and refuse to enforce the constitution that they've turned into birdcage liner in the name of Republican Jesus.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tribunal of Six figured out some mental gymnastics that let them declare the 14th amendment unconstitutional.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

They’re doing something worse: They will bend it to exclusively service the rights of the white Christian community. Look at how much of their Harvard/UNC decision was couched as the logical outcome of black civil rights.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed. And I don't get how Bostock vs Clayton County doesn't trump all this bullshit? It says that protection for sex also covers gender identity and sexual orientation because those 2 things are in-part defined by sex already.

Wouldn't that case mean all these anti-gay, anti-trans laws are already unconstitutional?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Your stare decisis and precedent have no power here.

This court has thrown out standing, precedent, and even basic honesty about relevant core facts and history. The Psycho Six are effectively now our House of Lords, and they will rule over us for decades, effectively without restraint.

They can arrogate power at their leisure, abrogate the expressed will of the people on a whim, and alternately cripple and turbocharge the executive branch, based solely on who is president.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The latest Supreme Court ruling on whether you had to serve customers whose message you disagreed with even if it is a message related to a protected class, was actually relatively narrow in scope. Unfortunately, the media did a bad job of reporting the actual opinion rather than the multiple procedural problems related to the case that should have stopped it dead in the water.

I do agree with the slippery slope reporting that likely future rulings may actually allow for refusal of service even if the customer is from a protected class unfortunately.

[–] PizzasDontWearCapes 10 points 1 year ago

The right wing media didn't do a bad job reporting it, they used it to push a wider narrative deliberately

[–] Teh 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So stupid. The idea that a public servant could refuse service to someone due to their personal views should immediately trigger their firing.

By the same token, can a black police officer refuse to arrest someone of their own race? Can a tax auditor refuse to investigate a pedo if they have those same beliefs? Can a permit office refuse to let a Catholic Church add on a wing?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I was thinking a judge in another state could just stop officiating weddings from straight couples if they so desired. I bet that would make headlines and prompt some reactionary legislation.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Zombies. I seen it before in rats, now I seen it in men...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

She thinks she's performing a religious ceremony in marrying people at the courthouse. I wonder what other duties of hers she pulls her religion into.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

…I hate that I can’t leave this backwards-ass state…

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lots of jobs in Colorado, but it is most expensive to live here. Texas sucks but everything is super cheap for obvious reasons.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Super cheap?! My apartment complex just raised my rent by $200 for the third year in a row. Groceries are more expensive. I can’t afford new clothes!

Cheap he says. Get a load of this guy…

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

She's free to step down at anytime, then she'll never have to worry about any marriages.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would this mean that any case she has presided over in the past that involved an lgbtq+ person could be thrown out now for prejudice?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If I were gay and had been in her court for as much as a traffic ticket, I'd be petitioning to get it thrown out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

huh

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