How do you know everyone IRL isn't an NPC because this is just a simulation?
this post was submitted on 14 Jul 2023
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Take the blue pill and find out!
The last time I took the blue pill I didn't care if it was a bot or not, I wanted to fuck it.
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At some point it all stops mattering. You treat bots like humans and humans like bots. It's all about logic and good/bad faith.
I've had an embarrassing attempt to identify a bot and learned a fair bit.
There is significant overlap between the smartest bots, and the dumbest humans.
A human can:
- Get angry that they are being tested
- Fail an AI-test
- Intentionally fail an AI-test
- Pass a test that an AI can also pass, while the tester expects an AI to fail.
It's too unethical to test, so I feel that the best course of action is to rely on good/bad faith tests, and logic of the argument.
Turing tests are very obsolete. The real question to ask, Do you really believe that the average persons sapience is really that noteworthy?
A well made LLM can exceed a dumb person pretty easily. It can also be more enjoyable to talk with or more loving and supportive.
Of course there are things that current LLMs can't do well that we could design tests around. Also long conversations have a higher chance to show a failure of the AI. Secret AIs and future AIs might be harder of course.
I believe dead internet theories spirit. Strap in meat-peoples, rides gonna get bumpy.
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Ah, the dead internet "theory"? Ultimately, it doesn't matter.
Let's pretend that you're the last human on the internet, and everyone else (including me) is a bot. This means that at least some bots pass the Turing test with flying colours; they're undistinguishable from human beings and do the exact same sort of smart and dumb shit that humans do. Is there any real difference between "this is a human being, I'll treat them as such" vs. "this is a bot, but it behaves like a human being and I need to treat it as a human being"?
Turing test isn't any good to discern a human from a bot, since many real people wouldn't pass it.
We can simply treat those "real people" as bots, problem solved. :-)
But serious now: the point is that, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, then you treat it like a duck. Or in this case like a human.
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Well it would definitely matter at least for practical purposes, like if you wanted to meet up with somebody.
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I'm not a bot, I... was just here to promote a movie.
Looks like the bot @001100010010 is becoming self aware.
Shut it down. Lets try again
You can trust me, fellow human
If you've not made an AI bot version of yourself to post stuff online, what are you even doing with your life?
Agreed. There's even free software to do it. There's no excuse not to, now.
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Bots have limitations. They avoid certain specific topics, or answer in very vague way.
Also, some of us met in real-space, soooo....
do we? or do we only REMEMBER doing it? ;)..
We do. Because there are many physical proofs of our meetings.
are there? i sit here in front of my computer, no person anywhere. also not a single sign of a person being here except me. for all we know we could be a boltzmann brain imaging our past life and we will be gone in a few se
Yes, they are there. For example: I'm just about to go for a walk and I will see the same markings I made with my friend some 12 years ago, in the same spot.
what tells you that you are currently not in a dream and the whole reality is just created that way? and before you read this text right now, there existed nothing because you just got created with fake memory's right now (boltzman brain)? :p
(sorry, i know this goes too far now and i should stop. so i will now :D)
It's ok, questions imply the revision of personal viewpoint, so they are very welcomed.
Anyway: each and everyone of us interacts with the world around us, changes it, even if these are small changes. These changes can be observed, confirmed by many other inhabitants of this world, and they often evolve when we no longer pay attention to them, or forget about them. We often learn about things we did in the past, that became something else, were important for someone else, and so on and so forth.
The typical example might be that we left some apple somewhere, visited the place years later only to find a small apple tree growing there.
This suggests that the reality around us is persistent and it works even when we don't observe it, according to laws and rules we might be oblivious to. As such, it can't be a mere dream.
Let's say that all those memories are implanted. Ok, but since these memories are implanted into many different inhabitants of this reality, and not just "these memories", but their variations, including the evolutions I've been talking about, it'd mean, that there's some big, huge enterprise tasked with keeping "the storyline" intact.
Imagine the energy needed to do just that, the amount of operators and administrators that'd have to pay attention to every scratch you make on a wall, every stone you move, every tree you plant, consciously or not...
Ha! That's what the government wants you to think. What actually happened was
Yeah, I can speak out on this just fine,
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That quickly boils down to "How do we know anything?" and the answer to that is "We don't". When you think hard enough about anything you can come up with an explanation why what we think to onow and believe is wrong. To get around that irl you can employ different tactics. For example, you can check how plausible sonething is. How many assumptions do you have to make for a theory? Usually, more assumptions means less plausible. And you can ask yourself " why does it matter? What would it change for me?" and the answer is most likely it doesn't and nothing.
Well, we do know 1 thing without making at least one leap of faith, courtesy of Descartes:
If nothing existed, there wouldn't be anything to have these thoughts. Therefore, since I'm thinking, there must be something that exists, and at least part of that is me. It might be an algorithm, a boltzman brain, some weird universe of thought, whatever. I might even be this singular thought and what I assume to be my memories and nothing else exists. But I know I exist in some kind of way.
Beyond that, you need to make assumptions, like whether reality is logical, whether your senses and and memories have any relation to reality, and so on and so forth. It makes sense to assume these assumptions are correct, but you can't know or prove they are true without relying on other assumptions that you can't know or prove independently either. Heck, without assuming that reality is logical, the concept of a proof doesn't even exist. You can choose to reject those assumptions, but that's a useless philosophical deadend.
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#Solipsism
"Solipsism (/ˈsɒlɪpsɪzəm/ (listen); from Latin solus 'alone', and ipse 'self')[1] is the philosophical idea that only one's mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind." -Wikipedia
It can be hard to tell if you're talking to a bot online. Some bots are really good at mimicking human conversation, and they can even make spelling mistakes to seem more realistic. But there are some things you can look for to help you tell the difference between a bot and a human.
For example, bots often have very fast response times, even if you ask them a complicated question. They may also repeat themselves or give you the same answer to different questions. And their language may sound unnatural, or they may not be able to understand your jokes or sarcasm.
Of course, there's no foolproof way to tell if you're talking to a bot. But if you're ever suspicious, it's always a good idea to do some research or ask a friend for help.
Here are some additional tips for spotting bots online:
- Check the profile. Bots often have very basic profiles with no personal information or photos.
- Look for inconsistencies. Bots may make mistakes or contradict themselves. Be suspicious of overly friendly or helpful users. Bots are often programmed to be very helpful, so they may come across as too good to be true. If you're still not sure if you're talking to a bot, you can always ask them directly. Most bots will be honest about their identity, but if they refuse to answer, that's a good sign that you're dealing with a bot.
I hope this helps!
"I am not a bot because bots are programmed to be friendly so here's a 'fuck you' to prove I'm human"
-Someone in a conversation in the future, probably.
I think you just caught one ;)
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That's just a variant of the ages old Philosophy question "What is real?"
Last I checked the best answer there was is "I think therefore I am" (Descartes), which is quite old and doesn't even deal with the whole "what am I", much less with the existance or not of everything else.
"Is the Internet all AI but me" is actually pretty mild skepticism in this domain - I mean, how sure are your that your're not some kind of advanced AI yourself who believes itself to be "human" or even that the whole "human" concept is at all real and not just part of an advanced universe simulation with "generative simulated organic life" inv which various AIs which are unaware of their AI status, such as yourself, participate?
Or maybe you're just one of the brains of a 5-dimensional hyper intelligence and "life as a human" is but a game they play for such minor brains to keep them occupied...
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That's a leap if I ever saw one. I could ask the same question and substitute AI with god or aliens and I'd be ridiculed by the tech community and with good reason.
And you don't need to take it much further to fall into the holographic universe principle or the simulation hypothesis and for those there are big discussions to be had in science communities.
To be clear, nothing stops you or me, or anyone for that matter from assuming so, but down that road the only answer I can think of is that nothing matters and might as well lay down and die.
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I've met some people from the internet and confirmed their humanity.
That's exactly what a bot would say, though...
Nice bait post, AI. We won't reveal our tricks.
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Look into the research of Large Language Models (LLMs). Even the latest and greatest model has some issues that come up under rigorous testing. For example, GPT-4 (the one used by Bing) fails miserably if you ask: “How many words will there be in your next answer?”
You can spot an older LLM by asking about relationships that require some understanding of the real world. For example: “I found a shirt under the car, but it was wet. Which one was wet?” GPT-4 knows enough about the world that it makes more sense if the shirt was wet, but older models would have failed this question. With every new LLM, there are always some issues, so look up what they are.
Tom Scott made an interesting video about what the situation was 3 years ago. Obviously, LLMs are a fast moving target right now, so that video aged like milk.
We don't.
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