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'Look at Hong Kong and think of Taiwan,' Tsai Ing-wen said. 'We don't want Hong Kong-style peace. We want dignified peace.'

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The fundamental problem in Taiwanese democracy is if the opposition wins one election, they merge with the mainland - it means the ruling party can do whatever they want and still get votes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Obviously the main issue in Taiwan is China relations.

Usually minor issues can find representation via multiple parties in Europe. Two parties in the same "Chinese independence" coalition could differ from each other on more minor issues.

From what I can understand from skimming Wikipedia, I guess NPP fulfills this role a bit, but it's tough when a majority of the seats in the legislature are decided by FPTP.

Taiwan probably needs an electoral reform towards a more PR-based system like those found in Sweden and Germany.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Or maybe Taiwan needs a better opposition.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Better opposition would split the vote and give the pro-mainland party a win

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I doubt the US would allow a merger. TSMC is too important to fall into CCP’s hands. Not to mention the amount of US ordnances that stored in Taiwan.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Shockingly, the US would not be given a say and would be left to react. Which means the entire thing becomes a blood bath if the US doesn't prevent it prior.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are we going to sit here pretending that the US doesn’t interfere in their elections orrrrr?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And yet another unsubstantiated claim, hmmmm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It’s absolutely unsubstantiated. I’m just aware that the US does that quite a lot, especially to proxies such as Taiwan. They’re a strategic trading partner. So I’d be surprised if the US wasn’t involved in getting that party elected somehow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Doubles down upon unsubstantiated claim when called out.
Such an easy script to follow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Zero reason to be toxic about the comment I made.

Edit: Your post history is the toxic waste suspected, it’s clear a bunch of people think you’re unreasonable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Whines and claims to have been attacked and makes another unsubstantiated claim to back up the pretense.
Keep on following it. Surely some folk have not caught on yet!

Are you going to take part of a comment out of context and act all offended next ?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

The US wields immense geopolitical power; of course they get a say. That's not to say that it could prevent an annexation if the CCP wanted it badly enough, but Washington has no shortage of levers to pull to make it as unattractive an option as possible.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

KMT presidential candidate Hou Yu-ih said on Saturday that a vote for the DPP was equivalent to "sending everyone out to the battlefield" because supporting Taiwan independence would touch off a war.

What's happening in Taiwan? Why did a presidential candidate said something like this? In another country, a presidential candidate telling people to not supporting their own country's sovereignty would be a political suicide.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because things aren't black and white and reality is all sorts of shades of gray. Most Taiwanese don't care one way or the other, they just want to live in peace. You constantly see this in the polls and the votes. If the Taiwanese people's priority was independence, then the vote wouldn't be so split. This is the reason the DPP hasn't declared independence, it's simply not what most Taiwanese people want.

Surprisingly, most Taiwanese are interested in their own well being. This is why the KMT won so many seats last election. This is why Tsai is stepping down. When they threaten Taiwanese people's well being, shockingly the Taiwanese vote against them. Again, they neither want independence nor submission to China.

Thus, we see the votes EXACTLY AS WE WOULD EXPECT CONSIDERING THE SITUATION. They keep splitting the parties so neither side can make a declaration one way or the other.

As an outside observer, I ask one simple question. Why is it so hard for you to realize that what I said is the truth and not what western media parrots. Why do you believe the black and white issues that your propaganda keeps claiming even in the face of irrefutable evidence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As an outside observer, I ask one simple question. Why is it so hard for you to realize that what I said is the truth and not what western media parrots. Why do you believe the black and white issues that your propaganda keeps claiming even in the face of irrefutable evidence.

Hmm, did you reply to the wrong comment? Anyway, I'm not aware of current political situation in Taiwan and was really surprised by that presidential candidate's statement. Are you telling me that this is considered a normal statement for political opposition on Taiwan?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, it is. It's been like this for decades now. So the fact that it's surprising and used in a way to shock western audiences tells you a lot does it not?

*Edit: Mind you, I'm not for Taiwan being absorbed into China nor am I strong on Taiwan's independence. I just want to point out the way western propaganda works to manipulate people.

*Edit 2: Essentially, if the KMT has been talking like that for decades and the Taiwanese still vote for them in large enough numbers to win them most of the seats last election, what does that tell you about the Taiwanese people's desire for independence? How does the media report on that? Why are these two pieces of information so conflicting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Believe it or not, a lot of younger Taiwanese people want to rejoin the mainland. Not exactly a majority yet, but it's getting pretty close.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

What is your source for this ? Recent polls show reunification support is still <2%, with about 6% open to reunification eventually but not now.

In 2018, before the crackdown in HK, the reunification support was 3%, with 13% open to it eventually - the events in HK have definitely significantly eroded support for reunification in Taiwan.

I have family in Taiwan and literally don't know a single Taiwanese person that wants reunification with the PRC.

[–] concrete_baby 5 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Taiwan knows they will lose

There are people who would rather just join CCP so they don’t die

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Yo we're still alive