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OpenSSH's ssh-keygen command just got a great upgrade.

New video from @[email protected]


Edit:

She has a peertube channel: [email protected] and it federatess as a Lemmy Community

The Peertube video in Lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/post/8842820

Link to the video in your instance.

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[–] [email protected] 312 points 8 months ago (5 children)

tl;dw - ed25519 keys are now the default

[–] [email protected] 92 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Thanks for reducing the click bait.

[–] Grass 34 points 8 months ago

From the thumbnail I was wondering if it was this. Thanks for saving me the watch.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Finally damnit

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Oh nice! That's the key type I use anyway, so nice to know I don't have to pass as many options in now

[–] [email protected] 77 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Woah peertube federating with lemmy is actually really cool!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

right!? the fediverse is so cool!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (3 children)

i don't think I've created an RSA key since 2017

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

A surprising amount of services (including Azure last I tried) can only handle RSA keys, so after trying ecdsa only for a while I ended up adding a RSA key again.

With that said - it's 2023, in almost all cases you should have your keys in a hardware module nowadays, in which case you'd use a different command for keygeneration.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Actually it is the same story with TLS 1.3 and TLS 1.2. A bunch of sites still doesn't support TLS 1.3 (e. g. arstechnica.com, startpage.com) and some of them only support TLS 1.2 with RSA (e. g. startpage.com).

You can try this yourself in Firefox by disabling ciphers (search for security.ssl3 in about:config) or by setting the minimum TLS version to 1.3 (security.tls.version.min = 4 in about:config).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Strange enough TLS 1.3 still doesn't support signed ed25519 certificates :| P‐256, NIST P‐384 or NIST P‐521 curves are known to be "backdoored" or having deliberately chosen mathematical weakness. I'm not an expert and just a noob security/selfhoster enthusiast but I don't want to depend on curves made by NSA or other spy agencies !

I also wondering if the EU isn't going to implement something similar with all their new spying laws currently discussed...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

AFAIK, they're not known to be backdoored, only suspected

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah wrong wording, but the fact that we have to depend mostly on NSA's cryptographic schemes makes it very suspicious !

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

ed25519 ≠ ecdsa

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a link for storing keys in hardware? I have no idea how you'd do that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Easiest and most affordable is probably a security key like the Nitrokey or the https://www.yubico.com/. I personally don't like the company behind yubikey much, but if you want something small you can always leave in the device that's pretty much your only option.

For "cheaper, but a bit more effort" would be just getting a smartcard blank, a card reader (if you're not lucky enough to have a notebook or computer with one built in), and then either write your own applet, or use one of the available opensource ones, and upload it to the card. A variant of that would be the Fidesmo card, where you get a card and their applet.

Or you just use the TPM you may have in your system - though you'll need to be careful with that: Typically one reason for using a hardware token is to make sure keys can't get extracted, while TPMs often do allow key extraction. Software to make that work would be opencryptoki.

Generally you'd use PKCS#11 to have the various components talk to each other. On your average Linux pretty much everything but GnuPG place nice. with PKCS#11. Typically you end up with pcscd to interface with the smartcard (the above USB tokens are technically also just USB smartcards), OpenSC as layer to provide PKCS#11 on top, and software (like OpenSSH) then talks to that.

All of that should be available as packages in any Linux distribution nowadays - and typically will also provide p11-kit configured to use a proxy library to make multiple token sources easily available, and avoid blocking on concurrent access.

ssh-add supports adding keys from pkcs#11 providers to the SSH agent (search pkcs11 in ssh-add manpage), with some distribution (like RedHat) also carrying patches allowing you to only select individual tokens for adding.

If you're also using GnuPG it gets more complicated - you pretty much have two options: Stick with PKCS#11, in which case you'd replace GPGs own smartcard agent with gnupg-pkcs11-scd, or you use GPGs own card implementation, in which case you can forget pretty much everything I wrote above, and just follow the security key manual for setting up a GPG card, enable SSH agent support in the GPG agent, and just use that for SSH authentication.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

I delete them from the ssh config folder after installation, along with the DSA and ECDSA keys. No ed25519? No auth.

Also prevents a handful of bots from attempting SSH login into your cloud infra, a lot of them don't support ed25519 kex

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I had to create one this year after discovering that connectbot (ssh client on Android) didn't support agent forwarding otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Probably a good idea to look for a different client, call me tinfoil but I wouldn't want to touch a very old mechanism that is supported/pushed by a very recognisable 3 letter agency

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I've just started using SSH inside of Termux, got tired of all the weird pitfalls SSH Clients for Android usually have

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Probably. It's in f-droid but increasingly looking not quite unmaintained, but not developed actively enough.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

considered harmful

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

YouTube thumbnails are cancer

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

DeArrow by the same developer as SponsorBlock seems to be actively developed and community contributions are fast.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

YouTube titles, too :(

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

TL;DR: It'll use a new, more secure key type.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Nice no ChatGPT anymore to remember how that damn Algorithm is spelled.

Why not just call it RSB ? People, really!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://piped.video/tdfBbpJPTGc

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

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