RX580 is dead don't buy them Amd is dropping support.
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They are diverting RX 580 into specialized driver support, which will allow them to spend more time on fixing driver issues for more modern cards and adding new features for more modern cards instead of having to make sure its compatible with 400/500 series and then troubleshoot it & make the code work with the 400/500 series, and vice versa (400/500 series bugs/features not meddling with the newer cards' drivers). They aren't getting new features anymore but they are still getting modern game support and security fixes. AMD isn't dropping support, but the card won't be getting new features.
Ok where do i buy them
That 16GB 580 sounds cool for memory-constrained scenarios, but it'd obviously make more sense to get a more powerful card entirely.
Yep, Dawid already made a video comparing an original RX580 8gb vs the circumcised RX580 with 16gb. Out of all the games he tested there's only 1 that utilizes that 16gb memory but it's below 10fps! lmao.
My previous GPU was a 4GB RX580 and it definitely was VRAM limited. 8GB is probably the sweet spot for that card (I might've kept mine longer if it had 8GB), but, at least for gaming, I don't really see a point in having 16GB on a card with that level of performance
Heh, caught me off guard with that description.
That video sounds about right. The place that more VRAM would be useful in is with compute, such as machine learning and video and photo editing, CAD, etc. I was doing image upscaling for the frames of a video a while ago, and it's easy to fill up all 8GB of VRAM by upscaling enough images at once.
But the 580 is old by now, so it wouldn't make sense to get a 16GB one for that either.
It wouldnt make much sense at all but Id like to have one. Really wouldnt mind seeing a Vega VII modded like this with more ram or even a vega 56 or 64. Those can be setup to sip the power and remain very capable for compute.
Im actually loving what the crypto crash has been doing. So many cool options for a decent price. At least where I live.
That's fair. I'd love to have one for a collection as well. Crypto has indeed churned out some cool mods of pre-existing cards. The machine learning boom might also incentivize more mods of this nature, since that benefits from VRAM just as crypto did.
Vega uses HBM memory that is on the package, unlike GDDR which just sits on the PCB. That mod would be much more complicated if not outright impossible.
Ah didnt think of that was just thinking about how the frontier edition is the same exact thing just with more ram and modified firmware and how there were even larger stacks of hbm2 memory available so the possibility of a vega 64 with even more ram seemed exciting. Properly tuned with amdmemorytweak or even just a good undervolt and they can be very efficient.
Even the 5500xt 8gb could provide some decent compute power with a bit of tuning or going in with more power tool and really unlocking the memory.
Would be awesome to have total control over your cards like that. Like oh I want this gpu but with this much ram at this speed using only this much power and easily making that a reality.
Idk im really into this stuff and have several of the chinese motherboards with old chipsets and modded bioses on them too. Kinda cool having a cheap unlocked xeon system that for the most part is totally usable. Before that years back was modding asus made hp motherboards to overclock xeons and running mobile amd chips in dual cpu systems to oc.
Could keep a lot of stuff out of the dumps and in use this way which I think is a good thing. Hopefully they figure this out on better cards the 580 is pretty weak
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Dawid has great videos. I love that type of content where tech people test random "weird" hardware.
Maybe it makes some sense in the AI arena. But I tend to agree that going with a better GPU is the way to go.
As for using RTX 3080,.... for AI. I think Chinese have issues with sanctions.
Would've been good budget option for hobby AI if it wasn't about 200x slower than Intel A770 for SD/LLMs.
I agree. I did deep fakes years ago with my 580, and having 16GB of VRAM would've been great for dealing with larger models and whatnot, but it's past its prime at this point. Most budget cards today would be faster than it in compute, so that would be the reasonable option compared to the novelty of a 16GB 580.
Also, is the A770 really 200x faster in SD/LLMs or is that an exaggeration? I'm asking out of curiosity. I did some SD with DirectML and it was certainly slow, around 2 minutes for a set of images.
Probably a bit of an exaggeration but not too much. Intel released OpenVINO, making the A770 about 7x faster than the RX 6700.
That sounds about right. Nvidia and Intel seem to have better computer API support than AMD, so it doesn't surprise me that the A770 performs much better with OpenVINO compared to the 6700. Alchemist is generally powerful in computer anyways, so that helps too.
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I have both a 3060ti (in use) and a RX580 (in storage, needs new fans). I would like to add 8gb ram to both to extend the use of them and just learn something new.
Should probably practice with the 580 first though. Would probably use it for passthrough or something.
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Unless they pronounce RX as rix, which I have unfortunately seen before.
Its not so simple as just soldering in new ram. Requires a bios flash (polaris pro) as well.
thats actually kinda cool
Nvidia and AMD should have allow AIB freedom to put whatever amount of Vram they like.
It use to be like this. We had 4GB GTX960, R9-285, gtx680/770, 8GB 290X.
Laptop use to have double of vram back in old days. Nowadays they have less than Desktop ones... zzz
I refuse to buy a 4060/4070 laptop because of 8GB vram, Laptop screen has since moved to 2560x1600p. There is no way 8GB is enough for a 1600p screen.
Well if you are thinking about playing the newest AAA games with 8GB of VRAM in high settings it won't be enough, but it really depends on the game. My laptop has a 3070 and I can run games like Doom eternal at 2160p high 60 FPS but Modern warfare 3 for example if it's not with DLSS and 1600p low then I can forget about anything above 60 FPS.
Tell me when the hell an RX 580 will ever need to use anywhere close to 16gb? It’s a freaking 580.. you’re not going to fill the vram at 1080p. I can’t wait to hear the brain rot arguments parroted by HUB and LTT.
Stalker Anomaly with a texture pack would do it, my 8gig rx580 gets around 7.5gb used up playing it at 1080p.
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It's for AI acceleration. In AI training (and with LLMs, inference), the VRAM is basically hard limit of the complexity of the AI model you can run on the GPU. 20GB is enough to train some small LLMs, 10GB is not.
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I could be wrong but wouldn't there be a pretty high demand in China considering the need for large vram for Ai stuff. I don't pretend to know much of anything about it, but wasn't that the reason the 4090 was banned for sale in China?
no not really. they still need beefier compute units too and most of the banned cards were ai purposed stuff that you cant game on... with upton128gb VRAM.. so the 580 16gb is probably not super useful.
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the fact the RX 580 is getting a Chinese Frankenstein version with 16gb is both hilarious and amazing
They have been doing those 580 with 16GB for awhile now. Saw some youtube videos were it show it ran slower vram and thus did not make much difference for gaming. But if someone has some app that needs vram for other uses it may be worth it. I think the 3080 has better chance of taking advantage of more vram. Will be interesting to see how much this modified gpus will cost.
The RTX 3080 definitely could take advantage of extra VRAM, with just 10 GB it can struggle in some tittles on Ultra settings at 4K.
With just 10GB it can struggle in some titles on Ultra settings at ~~4K~~ 1440p.
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16gb on a rx 580 is a useful as men having nipples.
Sooo, not necessarily practical, but a lot of fun.
It leaves an option open and enhances certain experiences when given proper attention?
Sorry what was the point you were trying to make?
i would genuinely get that 3080
3080s are flawless aside from some of them only being 10gb. They do suck down a bit too much power but overall they’re worth it.
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I want an extra 12GB for my 3080Ti.
Can I just like pop that shit in, or what? /s
If you know how to solder and don't mind if your card might not work afterwards lol
Technically “yes” but that’s quite some meticulous GPU modding and you’d need to be skilled enough with soldering and being able to modify the GPU firmware to detect it and even then it most likely wouldn’t work flawlessly… There was a guy that actually did that with a RTX 3070 but with some caveats.
Glad to see whoever had these chips rusting in a flooded warehouse gave up the crypto mining unicorn and figured out how to turn them a real world purpose.
16gb... 580s? Those aren't even getting driver updates anymore, right?
3080 20 GB! W! W! W! W! W! W! W!
So based
3070(ti) 16Gb would make more sense. Same with 4070ies.
For gaming, that is of course.
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Better buying an rx6600 or above card ,bought my rx6600 asrock challenger d for £210 jn july runs everygame in my library wth ryzen 5 5600x cpu n 32 gb memory
The RX580 "16GB" is a edited card with the Pro bios and not 1Gbit but 2Gbit chips, making it a 16GB model. However there was barely any difference clock for clock when you put it against the 4GB vs 8GB model - i'm sure the 16GB model would not show any benefit at this point.
The RX6700XT is 2.5x as fast, carries 12GB of memory and is quite more efficient then the Polaris generation. If you would pay a high fee for the RX580 16GB then it's best to leave it alone or collect it as a item.
Extra 8GB is only beneficial in workloads that can use it - other then that it would not make any difference compared to a 8GB model in games. I would like to see that they do install faster GDDR memory rather then more memory.
Polaris has always bin bandwidth starved. You can tell the GPU clock stops scaling beyond 1000 ~ 1100Mhz. Going upwards to 1366Mhz which was the default clock is not yielding anything extra really. It comes from tuning and tweaking the memory (faster timings, higher clocks). I'd say a RX580 with 2500Mhz GDDR5 would actually compete with not just a 1070 but perhaps a 1080 even.
3080 20GB seems a good way to futureproof it a bit more... But 580 is just too old to be relevant.
As if we needed more reasons to stay the fuck away from chinese products in general.
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