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Tuberville failed to mention that he's personally prevented hundreds of officers from being promoted because he disagrees with a 2022 Pentagon policy.

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[–] [email protected] 161 points 9 months ago (4 children)

And you helped make it that way, cunt.

I am so exhausted of this fucken asshats.

There has got to be some recourse for us people.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

These individuals are like having repairmanman from All That show up and announce something is broken, then expect to be paid and praised to repair it but pocketing the cash and running.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

He is so obviously compromised by external interests he should be removed from office. What logic is there to this? Let him stay up there and fuck our military just because? Is it because he was democratically elected and you can't just remove them? I don't understand how theres such rampant and blatant corruption and nothing is being done.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I think Tuberville is trying to keep all these positions open so Trump can appoint loyalists to them should he take office in January 2025. This way, Trump can better guarantee that the military will do what he wants it to do instead of having pesky "morals" ingrained by people who know what they are doing.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (6 children)

That "project" should have been the end of the Republican Party when it became public. We are really fucken out here about to be consumed by fascism and people are okay with it. This shit doesn't go away. The entire party is compromised now and forever. You can't ever trust they aren't on a Russian payroll trying to make a coup happen again. Nobody seems appalled by this and even worse, some applaud it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I relate. I'm appalled. I also don't know what to do about it. If they pack the military with loyalists we're in trouble, yet they're on track to pull it off somehow. It's terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (5 children)

What I truly think at this exact moment. Its too late. They've stated civil war if Trump doesn't win, and him winning is not a good thing. A lot of institutional things tend to die quietly and the aftershock isn't felt for a while. I think we're experiencing one of these institutional deaths, the death of our functioning democracy. Keep both eyes on any MAGA you know.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yep. The military leaders who stood strong are the only reason his coup failed to create as much chaos. 1/6 was our Beer Hall Putsch

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

fuck our military just because?

Nope, that's just the cover. Remember how they prevented Obama from appointing federal judges and a Supreme Court seat, then speed-marched every possible conservatively-vetted candidate through as soon as they got the Senate?

Now remember how the military did not support Trump's ambitions on January 6th? They're determined to stuff the military with proto-fascists so that the next coup will have military backing.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

At this point he's so blatantly compromised and everyone knows it that he should be charged with treason and given the appropriate punishment.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

There is, and at this point it lies beyond the courts.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is recourse, but no one wants to go to jail for the rest of their life afterward. Things are still too good to go that far.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 9 months ago (49 children)

This is why no Republicans should ever be allowed into office.

Ever.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

His actual complaint is:

"$114 million on diversity training, you gotta be kidding me," Tuberville said.

"We've got the weakest military that we've had in probably a year in my lifetime," he added. "Now we've got a lot of good military people, but infiltrating our military is all this wokeness and it's coming from the top, coming from Joe Biden, coming from Secretary of Defense Austin."

First, if it works, it's encouraging better decisions and increasing team effectiveness. I have no idea if the US military is doing a good job with this or not, but if they're doing it right they are building a better military way more cost effectively than one more fighter jet or whatever we would be using the money on.

But even if they're not doing the most effective form of training, it's 0.0075% of the defense budget. It's $40 per person employed by the department. That is extremely average for diversity training.

And lastly, this isn't like, new. The military has been doing diversity research and training since 1971. I'm sure Biden has some input if he wants it, he un-did a Trump ban on some training with an executive order, but I don't think the question of budgeting $90MM vs $114MM goes to "the top" at all.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago (3 children)

"$114 million on diversity training, you gotta be kidding me," Tuberville said.

What an idiot to choose to say this.

How much has it cost the military in lawsuits and defending racism, harassment, sexual assault, and every other form of behavior that homophobes, racists, and misogynists perpetrate on those around them. How has that affected leadership, personnel readiness, quality of work? Betcha that cost is far higher than some shitty hot take on “OMG the military is soft…”

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago

It is a mistake to assume the right wing cares about facts. They don't use words to find or describe truth. They use them for effect.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The purpose of conservatives preventing promotions is so tRump can install/promote his hand-picked leadership within the military when the time comes. This will allow him to use the military against U.S. citizens if/when he becomes president.

When he tried to use the military against U.S. citizens during his previous term, he was stopped by military leadership. They refused. Next time, he will have complete loyalty. Conservatives are setting the stage for him.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is what they should be voicing in the articles and Democrats should be calling him out for it and forcing Republicans to remove him.

Because your exactly right. Not only did Trump demand the military anytime there was a protest he also wanted to do stupid shit. Like tanks driving down the white house road during one of his speeches. They stop that too.

Trump talks about how much he loath the military because they wouldn't bend to his will.

Between project 2025 and this they are making sure Donald Trump dictatorship goes through and his will or the will of the real GOP of fascism is realized. 50 years conservatives have been planning this take over and if we don't vote for Biden and he wins. Then Trump does and America is fucked.

Then it will be civil war because I will refuse to live in a country under a christofascist dictatorship run by Trump.

[–] prole 17 points 8 months ago

Between project 2025 and this

Make no mistake, this is part of Project 2025. All Americans should be terrified of the GOP's long term plans.

If you don't know what Project 2025 is, educate yourself. We're watching our Republic die in front of our eyes.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Like tanks driving down the white house road during one of his speeches. They stop that too.

Mostly because the tanks are way too heavy for any road in DC. Seeing one crush through Pennsylvania Ave and into the metro underneath during his speech would have been even funnier than Putin and his one-tank parade.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

The US Navy has more heavy aircraft carrier groups than the rest of world combined. The US has 11 out of 22. It also has the world's largest and most advanced air force. Old US Army equipment is working wonders for Ukraine against Russia, the supposed next best military.

Not to mention the US has a massive arsenal of working ICBMs and SLBMs.

I'm sorry, but nobody stands a snowballs chance in hell against the US military.

Regarding Iraq and Afghanistan, nation building and occupying are two different things. Kind of like ruling verses obtaining power are different.

ETA: Think about that during presidential elections.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The US has 11 out of 22.

This is only a partial picture.

The US has 11 supercarrier groups that individually rival the power of most nation's entire airforces. These are unrivaled by anything else in the world.

The US additionally has 9 America and Wasp class amphibious assault ships that have an airwing capability that rivals most other nations' carrier groups. The Navy plans for this force to eventually be made up of 11 America class ships.

So the reality is that the US' secondary aircraft carrier capability rivals that of the rest of the world combined. The total power disparity of the combined supercarrier and amphibious assault fleet is mind boggling.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What's also mind boggling is the USAF F-15 has zero combat losses and is the OLD air superiority fighter. The USAF can start operating anywhere in the world with a force larger than most other air forces in < 72 hours.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You're missing the bigger picture imo. All that military might is going to be under the control of people handpicked by Trump, if he's elected and project 2025 goes to plan. Why do you think Tuberville is creating all these vacancies.

Tuberville isn't doing this for shits and giggles.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 9 months ago

This is the best version of the 'Eric Andre shooting someone that he then blames for being shot' meme I think I've ever, ever seen.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago

This is the sort of thing that happens when you have people who proclaim that government doesn't work in that government. They say the system is broken, and hope you don't notice that they have been deliberately breaking it for years.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

He obviously doesn’t work for America like so many other Republicans. Fuck Alabama. Fuck Auburn too

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You have to be related to Alabama to fuck it.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (8 children)

This football coach from the ivy leagues has the audacity to pretend to know what military service is like without having educated himself at the bare minimum nor actually serving to provide a serious opinion on the matter.

The fact this incompetent malcontent continues to receive the support of his constituents is truly representative of how unbelievably fucked humanity is.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Imagine having your military undermined by a washed up football coach. I have to hope that this sentient pile of damp laundry gets what's coming to him eventually.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Translation: Weaker = can't brain wash them into mindless murder machines like we use to be able to.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I hate those sociopaths who are all like " if you treat me with respect I'll treat you with respect."

When what they really mean is that if you treat them as an unquestioned god, they won't be as nasty as they could be.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

So where is the mob of MAGA patriots ready to storm the Capitol and run this guy out of town on a rail? Hello? taps mic Is this thing on?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Ah, the old chestnut of causing a problem, and then blaming it on someone else. Republican leadership is a Jonestown suicide cult, and they want all of us to drink the kool-aid.

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