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Wayland vs X11 be like (lemmy.world)
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[-] [email protected] 69 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

As a Linux newcomer the Wayland/X11 thing has been the most confusing thing I've witnessed.

Surely the average person will just use what works best on their system at that time? I don't get people wishing to throw Wayland in the trash or the people who take issue with people still using X11.

Kinda just seems like arguing because you have nothing better to do.

[-] [email protected] 62 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's an age old Linux tradition. We argue about window managers, init systems, sound systems, and anything else we can. Often it's because people have built a hacked together system based on what used to work for them. Relevant XKCD

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Hahaha that damn spacebar heating in KDE 4.2 was really lit

[-] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

And it's fine when it's about a roughly equal choice. But Wayland is vastly superior in support and X11 vastly superior in functionality, so I don't get this argument.

If I could find a compositor for Wayland (and a simple terminal emulator like urxvt, no opengl for acceleration please) as easy and quick to set up as cwm for X11 (with something like dzen2) or fvwm - the issue wouldn't exist for me personally.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

Kinda just seems like arguing because you have nothing better to do.

When we don't have Windows or Mac users to feel superior against, we will invent issues amongst ourselves.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Kinda just seems like arguing because you have nothing better to do.

You don't seem confused at all. You summed it up nicely.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

And, here me out here: this is a good thing. Nay, a beautiful thing. There are no better things to do because these people care and have a voice. We argue about things for years and make slow progress as people agree or capitulate, and there will always be a fork to avoid those changes people care to enough. No one can just buy the Linux ecosystem and make unpopular changes without broad support. I'm pretty sure a negligible number of people have genuine hatred or prejudice for those using a technology they don't like. The arguing of Linux and Open Source is a reflection of the most successful form of worldwide democracy ever implemented by mankind.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

i started using linux 3 years ago because i literally didn't have nothing better todo '-'

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Welcome to the Linux community!

Seriously, though. Just use what you want (as long as it's working and supported, of course). Don't let anyone here pressure you.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Just use a Distro that has it preset. Ubuntu, Fedora, I dont know what else.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ubuntu LTS and 23.x are both Xorg. Latest has Wayland. If 24.04 is to be LTS though, I don’t think they’d release it with Wayland as default. I’d think they’d switch to Wayland on 24.10 so there’s 3 more releases to get good before the next LTS build.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Damn... so StudioOne on their "Linux info page" was wrong. They only support Ubuntu (sigh...) but also only Wayland.

A good start for a Flatpak? Maybe if it wasnt proprietary...

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Possible I’m wrong? I was going against the Distrowatch details since I was just looking at them a couple hours before I replied: https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=ubuntu

I don’t usually “trust” vendor support for Linux though…Linux is usually a second-class citizen and “support” means there is either a single grey-beard or an intern that’s answering emails about it. Idk about StudioOne, but unfortunately it’s usually expected to not have feature parity or complete documentation for commercial software on Linux. IME, YMMV, etc.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

They dont support it at all currently but have an experimental version. As if that was too much, with their software costing 200€+

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Ubuntu 21.04 uses Wayland by default https://canonical.com/blog/ubuntu-21-04-is-here

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

My mistake, then. I haven’t really used Ubuntu much since focal. I was going off the package list in distrowatch.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I'm pretty sure 22.04 and newer are Wayland.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago

There is no one devoloping for x11 anymore, it is abandonware and dead (even if still usefully sometimes) wayland isn't the new shiny thing but it has been getting devoloped so so slowly and getting little support, because the focus on x11. Death of x11 is better for everyone

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Is something like barrier/synergy already working with wayland?
I wanted to try it so badly, but controlling multiple computers with one set of keyboard & mouse is quite essential to my workflow.

Also, does X forwarding over ssh work in some way?
Like, can I open remote GUI programs over ssh on my wayland, like on X11? And less important for me, but still, also the other way round?

Thanks upfront!
I have some FOMO here, but last time I checked wayland couldn't provide me those things, I need for work :⁠-⁠(

[-] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

I just switched from fedora 39 plasma to green debian, it's been very pleasant to have "it just works os" take care of things, including X11 just doing it's regular old thing.

But if course, Wayland is the future and I will happily use it by the time it becomes stable enough for a debian release. Go Wayland!

[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

This is the way.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

land

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Debian has had Wayland for ages tho. It's the default for Gnome since 2019.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

You're right, I didn't think of that. Cinnamon sadly is X11 for now.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Kde plasma 5.27 works great on wayland

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Sadly not on NVIDIA hardware :/

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

what's green debian? debian with cinnamon?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Not sure where the current wave of FHFIF memes are coming from, but I'm here for it lmao

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I'm an adamant believer in its untapped meme potential

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

should watch some of it again tbh, watched it as a kid and I loved Wander Over Yonder, one of McCracken's other shows.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I like cheese so I should use X11

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I.... Like.... potatoes...?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I thought you loved the foot-y goodness?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Based and cheesepilled

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

stupid old man rant:

spoilerKDE making random features only available on wayland for no reason like trackpad gestures because memes

GNOME being GNOME which is being useless anyway

And literally everyone else is still using X11 by default, unless you count the 20 random github compositors that no one uses.

I would switch to wayland if it had any actual immediate benefit, especially in performance, but as far as I have tested it doesn't.

Will probably join it in 2030 when the xfce devs wake up from their eternal slumber and make an update for it

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Used Wayland, tried Hyprland. Was cool, somewhat buggy.

Switched to XMonad. No more issues.

Wayland is probably the future, but I just want something that works now.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Well x11 apps are in Xephyr

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I would switch if all my DWM patches worked on DWL, but till they write the same patches for DWL I'm sticking with X11

[-] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

if all my DWM patches were on DWL

Nothing stops you from making it yourself.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I do have a long term goal of learning C and making an actually good sixel patch, but that's for ST. Like sure Wayland gets rid of the screen tearing I occasionally get on my old Intel GPU in my laptop, but why would I spend so much time porting patches when X11 when that's my only gripe with it.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Not everyone has the skill and time to just make it themselves, mate.

[-] Secret300 2 points 7 months ago

Anyone that still wants to use x11 can attempt to maintain it themselves.

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