Im just way more skeptical everytime i see the word "antisemitic" with how much its being used for criticism of Israel or support of palestinians.
this post was submitted on 28 Nov 2023
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Jewish people are attacked on the streets, synagogues are being attacked and smeared with swastikas etc.
You can condemn that and still think Israel is making a mistake in Gaza.
This is absolutely true. Antisemitism is on the rise in many places. At the same time some organizations (like the ADL) mark everything anti zionist as antisemitist. This muddies the water and takes away from the actual stuff some people have to go through with antisemitism. Their stories deserve to be heard and not getting drowned out by claims that have nothing to do with antisemitism.
I don’t think the OP you’re replying to means to say that antisemitism isn’t on the rise, it’s just hard to know how much is actual antisemitism and how much is marked as antisemitism when it’s just criticism of Zionism and/or the state of Israel.
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Someone firebombed a synagogue.
I'm pretty sure that's "genuine" antisemitism.
That's definitely a genuine piece of antisemitism and people doing shit like that need to be arrested pronto... but I'm still uncertain like the OP. Though maybe the uncertainty is just being jaded by American organizations like the AJC.
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No ones saying theres no genuine antisemitism going on. Even in the 854 incidents of "offensive behavior" im sure is plenty of nazi ideology eugenics wanting jews killed. But im skeptical of the totality of this number being antisemitism.
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Among the 994 antisemitic incidents, there were three cases of extreme violence, 29 attacks, targeted damage to 72 properties, 32 threats, four mass mailings and 854 cases of offensive behavior.
So at least 10% of this number are actual violence.
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Someone will say something similar any time antisemitism is discussed in any context. Whatever your intention, it has the effect of minimizing and normalizing antisemitism. The article is clear that only a fifth of incidents are even tangentially related to Israel at all. Attacking or threatening German Jews or destroying their property isn't criticism of Israel. Marking Jewish homes with a Star of David or firebombing synagogues isn't supporting Palestinians.
'Criticism of Israel' shouldn't mean giving cover to Nazis.
While I agree that’s true, it’s also the case that Israel has both conflated itself with Jewish people globally to claim criticism of itself as antisemitism, as well as committed actual atrocities against non-Israeli Jewish people as a means of propaganda to promote the idea that nowhere is safe for Jewish people except Israel. This muddies the water and makes it difficult to accurately discuss and criticize actual antisemitism, to the benefit of Israel and to the detriment of Jewish people.
Even if that's true, Jewish people are not collectively responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. In that case, you'd have an argument for not trusting the Israeli government. You can't extend that to German Jews (in this case) or groups that monitor antisemitism in Germany without it also being an implicit argument about why you can't trust Jews.
It’s more of a “boy who cried wolf” scenario. Many have become numb to accusations of antisemitism, because the term is frequently used incorrectly. Israel, along with Pro-Israel groups in Europe and the US (who may or may not themselves be Jewish) are frequently guilty of misusing the term. This article even states that 21% of counted incidents were anti-Israel, and a further 5% were anti-imperialist. Including those in the overall count is just incorrect unless they are also antisemitic in some other way, and because of that people are right to be skeptical of claims like in this headline. It’s not skepticism of Jewish people, it’s skepticism of people who seem motivated to call anti-Israeli acts antisemitic.
The solution here also isn’t to stop reporting on antisemitism. Doing so is important and should be recorded and reported correctly. The solution is that anti-Israeli acts cannot be included in those statistics, and people with a specific motivation to do so shouldn’t be the ones reporting.
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And whenever groups criticize israel or support palestinians someone will call it anti-semitism, minimizing and normalizing the genocide of palestinians.
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Propaganda is a double edged sword.
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extremists groups are on the rise in general since they see they are being accepted more these days.
only needs to look at lemmy to understand why they feel so comfortable coming out now more than ever.
Or Reddit. But don't look at Reddit lol.
What is going on with these posts? Why are all the comments deleted?
So, it says there are 17 comments, but I only see 5?
Albatross told me to go fuck myself. That user should definitely be banned. Where are all the other comments?
Uncivil comments are removed. Continued uncivil behavior can lead to a ban. Probably the case here.
I didn't see anything uncivil. Certainly not pro-Isreal, but not uncivil.
Edit: Except for a post from the albatross. They seem unhinged.
Check the modlog, usually it is someone insulting another user.
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