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  • Ornstein says Arsenal scouted Havertz extensively when he was at Leverkusen.

  • Arsenal were in contact with his representatives in 2020, but were not able to pay the price Leverkusen demanded.

  • Havertz popped up on Arsenals radar again around March this year, when he was approaching final 2 years of his contract.

  • Mount, Gundogan and Kudus were looked at in the summer.

  • Arteta was the driving force behind our interest in Havertz. Edu was on board.

  • Bayern were interested in Havertz. Real Madrid wanted to wait and see how things unfolded with Harry Kane first.

  • Once Havertz learned of Arsenals interest, he had a Zoom meeting with Mikel Arteta. After this he was fully comitted to Arsenal.

  • Big difference in how public sees Havertz and how the people working in fotball see Havertz. He is highly rated in the fotball world.

  • Havertz has very good attitude and is "ultra comitted and dedicated" and fotball obsessed to get this right and work with the coaches.

  • His attitude, application and conduct on the training field is excellent. He is a very popular character with players and staff.

  • Ornstein mentions Barella as one CM option this summer, but sounds more like he mentions Barella as one of the midfielders that could have been signed this summer and not that he was somebody we specifically targeted.

  • Havertz base salary is in the region of 275k per week, almost same as at Chelsea.

  • His price/wage might make fans expect a more "glamorous" role from him when in reality his current role is a bit more subtle.

  • Marks the stats guy "Havertz is valued by Arteta for his work off the ball". Havertz is really intelligent with his defensive positioning and doesnt shy away from a challenge when he needs to.

  • True tackles = Tackles + challenges lost + fouls comitted. A way to see a players tendency to "stick a foot in"

  • When in controlled posession, Havertz with his 6.4 true tackles ranks number 3 in the Arsenal squad. Adds a bite to the team when out of posession.

  • He has 1.4 blocked passses per 90 minutes, second highest in the Arsenal squad.

  • These are not the primary attributes Arsenal have brought him in for, but he has been in an important part in our defense being more solid this season.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

he had a Zoom meeting with Mikel Arteta. After this he was fully comitted to Arsenal.

I swear to god, every day I'm glad Arteta went into football/coaching, because otherwise he would be leading the most deadly cult since Charles Manson.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Barella!? God that would be a sexy midfield

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So Kai is reverse Ozil

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

At 275k weekly wages, simply not enough

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

he had a Zoom meeting with Mikel Arteta. After this he was fully comitted to Arsenal.

This could be in the story for every new signing we've had since Arteta got here

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

“Think of how stupid the average Arsenal supporter is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” George Carlin

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We’ve been defensively decent this season, but our XG is lower than it should be, and we aren’t that entertaining to watch, so Havertz is getting flack.

Havertz needs to add more creation of opportunities, and goals to get more support of the fans because we don’t see training sessions, or locker room banter. What fans see are games, and there is a noticeable drop of in game performance from the Leverkusen era of his career. I think a lot of this is due to Bundesleague being a lot easier, but also due to his inability to balance his defensive, and offensive duties.

Hopefully, he starts to add a little fluidity, and risk taking to his play. He has improved this season, but he is still maybe too focused on not making errors over impacting the game positively. As you can see from his goal, the more aggressively he plays in the final third the better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Out here doing God’s work. Thanks, OP! It would be really interesting to know how this role he’s excelling at compares with someone like Xhaka prior to last year when he morphed into Goalzilla. I wonder if Arteta has initially prioritized this subtler, off the ball stuff with him on a longer term development track and will start asking him to do more offensive stuff when he settles in a bit more (maybe in a year or two as happened with Xhaka as well).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Kudus could backup Saka and also play attacking mid

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

These guys must have written this piece in September and have been waiting for Havertz to score his goal to post it 🤣

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I really hope he comes good. I really do.

An interesting thing I noticed is the perception of the player over the years. I remember reading an article before he signed for Chelsea and it was bigging him up to be the next Ozil. More recently I've seen people commenting that at Leverkusen he was more of a player who just had a knack for popping up and scoring a lot of goals rather than a player who gets heavily involved in general play.

Very contrasting reports of his qualities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If we really had a shot at Barella over Havertz, we fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I like havertz. I was open to the signing and poopoo'd a lot of people complaining about him. But wow, those wages are astronomical.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

How dare you omit Amy Lawrence!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Why am I getting big Xhaka vibes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes there are things players bring that are hard to quantify.

Kai actually has provided steel in the middle of the park and is a threat in the air. Also, it was clear after Xhaka left that Arteta wanted size in the #8 position.

I'm not saying he's been secretly stellar or anything like that, but there are aspects to the game that don't involve assists and scoring. On top of that, Arsenal are 1st with a decent run of matches coming up and haven't even been fully fit.

I'm not gonna complain about one guy given the situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You know what's the most important thing. He can only improve. Let's say he's not playing great or as well as he could be.

As stated above, he's tightened us up defensively and we're currently in first.

So say he starts playing even better and performing at an even higher level... What's not to love about that? We should all be super excited about that prospect

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My guess is that he committed to arsenal because we would pay him and he would stay in london

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I hope he comes good and trust the manager but that wage is ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think everyone agree with his defensive work , i wad surprised by it really , he win headers in our box from open play crosses , imagine how he would be at his physical peak 26-27 yo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Great summary. Cheers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I want to have a zoom meeting with Arteta so he can make me committed to my job.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We are all liked him at Leverkusen as well. I’m glad he’s here and hoping for more success for him. COYG.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I would like to see more of Ødegaard, Havertz and Rice midfield

Seems that would be a great mix of defensive solidity with great ability both in build up and on the counter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Arteta is all about that Mentality FC. You are here to work hard and fight or you ain’t here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Sounds like Abromavich gave him an offer he couldn’t refuse…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Havertz is a great guy. Don't hate him. He had my support. But his off the ball contributions isn't nearly enough to compensate for the opportunity cost lost in bringing in either a To striker, or a great rotation for Saka. He is being paid fast too much for his contribution. And I do think he will improve, but will never reach his Leverkusen heights, forget the potential he was supposed to reach at his peak, as predicted then.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This! The manager and his staff him every day and know way better than all of us if he deserves to play or not

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Big difference in how public sees Havertz and how the people working in football see Havertz. He is highly rated in the fotball world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't dislike him as a squad player, but on 275k this feels like some revisionist history

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