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Systemd controversy be like (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 6 months ago by loaExMachina to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (5 children)

To me systemd is fine, I am not really emotional at init systems. But on the other hand Linux is about choice and systemd kills that in some way because it does so much more than just starting services. GNOME is unusable without systemd, which makes it a no choice if you go into another rabbit hole. It’s kinda weird how deeply systemd is integrated in Linux these days. What I really dislike is that the log is in binary format by default which makes it necessary to deal with another tool to read logs. But well software changes, so do tools. But honestly the devs acted like dick heads sometimes, so I think most of the antipathy comes from their behavior and well yes MS now kinda pushing systemd because poettering works for them. I have fear that MS forces the systemd devs to implement things you cannot simply opt out of because it is so tightly integrated. Maybe copilot for writing systemd unit files would be nice though :P

[–] _cnt0 41 points 6 months ago

GNOME is unusable without systemd

It is also unusable with systemd.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago

Systemd is very customizable and flexible. I also fine it is faster than anything else. You can also choose what systemd services to use and what not to use

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

well yes MS now kinda pushing systemd because poettering works for them. I have fear that MS forces the systemd devs to implement things you cannot simply opt out of because it is so tightly integrated.

How has MS pushed systemd?

[–] _cnt0 11 points 6 months ago

That's a nonsense spin of things. There wasn't/isn't a need for Microsoft to push systemd, because it had been adopted by all major linux distributions before Poettering even made the switch. It's a straw that init system luddites clutch at.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

I have fear that MS forces the systemd devs to implement things you cannot simply opt out of because it is so tightly integrated.

What the hell? Code isn't unpatchable, and neither is Microsoft the super evil villain trying to ruin the lives of Linux users that childishly.