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A team of United Nations experts tasked with gathering information on sexual violence linked to Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israel found “reasonable grounds to believe” that some victims were sexually assaulted, including rape and gang rape, according to a U.N. report released Monday.

“In most of these incidents, victims first subjected to rape were then killed,” a press release announcing the report’s findings said. “The mission team also found a pattern of victims, mostly women, found fully or partially naked, bound, and shot across multiple locations.”

The 23-page report said the team also found “clear and convincing information” that some of the women and children taken back to Gaza that day by Hamas as hostages were subjected to “rape and sexualized torture and sexualized cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.” There were “reasonable grounds to believe,” it said, “that this violence may be ongoing.”

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What a load of shit.

That clip is pure propaganda, deceptively edited, and completely out of context… The stories of Chen Almog-Goldstein and her 17 year old daughter Agam have not changed.

If you don’t believe me, try watching the full interview.

https://vimeo.com/899212136

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Your video is login-blocked but those people were in fact not raped. If anything they are further evidence that no rapes happened.

DER SPIEGEL: Your daughter Agam wrote in an article that she was afraid of being raped. How did you try to protect her?

Goldstein-Almog: Our guards were relatively respectful towards us, but I remember that once one of the men asked Agam to cook with him. I kept going into the kitchen to check on her to make sure nothing was happening.

After that the article derails into some hearsay about anonymous unconfirmed rumors. Strangely the people you are citing have certainly not experienced that.

The UN report being filled with the same claims used by NYT which have been completely debunked does not lend it any credibility either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Rapes, murders, and acts of violence were absolutely committed by members of Hamas. This is perhaps an uncomfortable truth for you.

Your video is login-blocked It's not my video (I didn't upload it) and it's not "login blocked" in the US. Here is another link that should work regardless.

but those people were in fact not raped. If anything they are further evidence that no rapes happened. Those people meaning Chen Almog-Goldstein and her 17 year old daughter Agam? The ones who in the full length interview said they were not raped, but said other women were? (19:55 in the interview). "Girls, only 19 years old...they went through horrible things. On a personal level... they were abused [sexually] and hurt.."

DER SPIEGEL: Your daughter Agam wrote in an article that she was afraid of being raped. How did you try to protect her?

Goldstein-Almog: Our guards were relatively respectful towards us, but I remember that once one of the men asked Agam to cook with him. I kept going into the kitchen to check on her to make sure nothing was happening.

After that the article derails into some hearsay about anonymous unconfirmed rumors. Strangely the people you are citing have certainly not experienced that.

I think you mean the people you used as evidence by posting a chopped up propaganda clip. I merely linked to the full interview where they did not speak highly of their captors.

Strange how the UN is infallible when they agree with Hamas, but when they don't it's "hearsay about anonymous unconfirmed rumors." /s

The UN report being filled with the same claims used by NYT which have been completely debunked does not lend it any credibility either.

That report has not been "debunked," despite what you claim, or what The Intercept published about the New York Times.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The video you linked contained zero evidence of anyone being raped. Alongside everything else you claim.

In fact it shows this girl struggling between being gaslit by the IDF which tells her she went trough the Holocaust and her own experiences which boil down to "we were not tortured nor sexually violated in during our captivity".

The UN report goes out of the window the second they used the Nova festival for their evidence as we factually know that those claims were fake. In the UN report there is also no forensic evidence. Everything hinges on "anonymous witness statements"

Another big difference is that the Palestinian women raped by the IDF themselves claim they were raped. Whereas this current report only quotes "witnesses".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't know what to tell you other than are straight up believing propaganda my human. Like, your empathy with the Palestinians is commendable, but your lack of empathy for Israelis is abhorrent.

I’ll make a few statements about what I see in the situation, but picking through every piece of disinformation is exhausting and I don’t have the time to continually engage with you at this time.

  1. Palestinians are suffering and dying horribly in Gaza in very unjust ways.

  2. Netanyahu wants to expand Israel, and doesn’t believe in a two state solution.

  3. Netanyahu does not want the conflict to end without a major victory, because his political career is over once the conflict is.

  4. The hard right of Israel doesn’t care about the suffering of the Palestinians.

  5. Hamas is brutal, effective, and in many ways immoral.

  6. Hamas does not believe in a two state solution, wishes to destroy the nation of Israel, calling for the removal or killing of all Jews in Israel.

  7. Hamas does not want this conflict to end because it benefits their goals. They gain international support, and power when Palestinians suffer and die.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

i haven't reviewed the un's claim, only the AP writeup which was pretty thin. all the "evidence" I've subjected myself to is, as you said, hearsay or innuendo.

I had been pretty cavalier, saying it didn't happen, but the headline on this post does give me pause.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

Every time one of these reports comes out I check it to make sure I'm not wrong. And every time it's just a load of horseshit. This is like the 5th time we're hearing the same allegations without evidence after the last 4 were debunked.

I was called crazy when I said the NYT report looked like a complete fraud three months ago since there was no evidence. Now that report is falling apart the UN comes in to rescue the day with more completely unverified claims.