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Dude. Can we make a giant list called america bad and put all the dystopian shit on it and pull it out when any idiot comes around and tries to defend that corporate shithole of a country?
I mean, I‘m frustrated and embarrassed of the country I live in but stories like this make me feel like I‘d surely be dead by now if I was in the US (where my mother grew up btw).
Like, why dont people who can just move? Especially the IT peeps who make tons of money should immediately go for northern europe. Everyone speaks english, the corpos are not half as strong (afaik) and people are friendly (my personal experience). The US would scream in terror if their top talent would start to move away. If the election this year goes bad, just vote with your feet folks.
It costs a lot more money than most Americans have available, especially if wanting to move to the EU or Canada and want to work.
I can speak Mexican Spanish and have considered moving there. The biggest obstacle are the Americans who want a cheap version of the US and are essentially colonizing these towns.
If I move to Mexico (or any other country), I want to experience that culture, not displaced American consumerism.
I sympathize with the money issue. But thats also why I intentionally said it would be good if peeps with well paying jobs/skills move away because
a) they can set an example without ruining themselves b) the absence of top talent will make much bigger waves then others which might change the course over time c) the economy needs to break for the system to change which will go faster if people who drive it leave
Obviously, folks with minimum wage are in dire need of help but I dont have a solution to this just yet. The most manageable seems to be the above atm.
The only alternative I see is mass strike which might lead to looting when people need to decide between striking and eating. So a massive escalation that I cant seriously suggest.
The people who have the means to just uproot everything and move to another country on a whim are probably not the same people who are struggling to live here, and so the incentive there is to not really care because they're comfortable where they are.
We aren't really taught to give much of a shit about our fellow citizens here. There isn't any kind of social cohesion, it's everyone for themselves. We saw the US's true colors when we tried to get everybody vaccinated.
Yes indeed. All true statements imo. My mother also has this in her personality, growing up in the US. Dont look, dont care. Cruel if you see other families (especially southern european) treat their family and friends like the best thing in the world.
The issue I see is that being comfortable today doenst mean you‘re safe. If you make 100+k a year and get fired to bolster the stock price is not comfortable. You can have the same standard of living with 80k in germany and have social security and workers rights on top. The language is also becoming a lot less of a barrier for IT folks.
Tech pays way more in the US than anywhere else.
With everything else being more expensive…
Although I only know this to be true for germany. No idea about nordic countries. They’re generally more awesome than germany in most regards. Only downside is the light situation.
Many things are cheaper in the USA than in Europe or Canada. The downside is the USA's poor healthcare, public services, workers' rights and justice system, and (probably) having to live under proper fascism soon.
It does exist: that's what Late Stage Capitalism was all about.
I dont understand. Can you elaborate?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_capitalism
Kind of a catch-22.
America is the best country in the world, if you're rich. Once someones earning a lot and saved up move to New Zealand money the appeal isn't as strong for most.
Oof. That's akin to moving there in 1938. Bit of a risky proposition to say the least.
I wouldn't move there now if allowed and I don't even have illegally move to Mexico money.
Indeed. The people who desperately need to leave cant and those who could arent in hot water, yet. Thats why I think folks who are being laid off by tech overlords should consider rooting it all up rn. Because your employer cant fire you in germany without cause or has to provide means to find a new job. I was talking about nordic countries earlier but this system is pretty awesome, even if everything else is meh atm.
I have a great life in America personally, no desire to move. That's why I don't.
I can do whatever I want every day, and life is very affordable for me, and I enjoy living where I live.
Read: F*ck you, I got mine.
Nope, it's a simple statement of contentment that points out the reality that success and contentment are achievable in modern America, written as a counterpoint to all the immature doomerism about the status quo.
Just transpose this statement to a white person in a slave state during slavery and you see how this is an issue.
You dont need to move but calling it „doomerism“ is completely out of touch.
People are dying in your streets and it would be prudent to at least show enough respect that privilege is not a position to speak down from.
Sure, just change the words in what I said and it will mean something different. Let's change your words around too.
Thats not how this works. You dont change the words or the meaning. You change the perpective to show why this is a problem.
You speak from a position of privilege. People who are in dire need of help dont have that privilege. You calling their issues or the descritption doomerism is out of touch.
I'm helping people out by letting them know that their doomerism is an ingredient in their own failure. When all you can imagine is your own failure, you will most likely achieve what you believe in.
When you open your mind to realize that the possibilities are endless, you can see solutions that you ignored out of pessimism and begin to adapt in the ways that allow you to overcome adversity. Even the smallest microcosm of any ecosystem has infinite possibilities within it. On the macro scale of human life, these possibilities are only limited by the imagination and will of the human animal. So when you assume everything is going to shit and you'll never win, you already failed by crippling your own imagination.
I dont know why you‘re going off on a tangent right there but alas. I dont have time for this.