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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Just a note that polling of Millenials and younger is known to be wildly inaccurate since we don't follow traditional news media, so extrapolating a sample to a state or national value is functionally guesswork.

This is why polling stated Obama wasn't going to be re-elected and everyone was expecting a big Romney win.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not sure where you're getting that. FiveThirtyEight's presidential model doesn't solely rely on polling, but it's the prominent factor, and it was bang on that year.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/07/nate-silver-election-forecasts-right

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That was an in person speech I attended by the unofficial god of polling, Angus Reid.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't know what you heard in a speech, but Angus Reid's own organization accurately predicted the popular vote that year:

https://angusreid.org/electoral-record-continued/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

And his group was the outlier.

Anyways I was sharing firsthand knowledge here that isnt acknowledged on the web. That speech has no public recording.

No polling agency talks about why the uncertainty used to be +/-3% and its now often +/- 6 to 10%.

You're just looking for irrelevant gotchas.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It's not exactly a "gotcha" when we just have to take your word for it that this happened.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A: Makes a claim

B: Requests source.

A: You're just looking for irrelevant gotchas. Anyway, she lives in Canada.

 

I mean, you might be totally correct and relating a factual experience with total objectivity. But you gotta admit that's what it sounds like.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Got a source for that "everyone was expecting a Romney win" thing?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, an in person speech by Angus Reid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sources are usually verifiable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, sorry. This wasn't a public speech, but I was there in person. There might be a recording of it, but again, not public.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cool. So one guy at a speech delivered in private that you can't verify in any way said that everyone expected Romney to win.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

No, he said why the polling was off and why most polls were projecting a Romney win.

[–] ryathal 0 points 10 months ago

Romney lost once the binders full of women comment happened. Similar to Hillary's deplorables comment.