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[–] agentsquirrel -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Self criticism is the only thing keeping Democrats from becoming a clone of the GOP.

Well, it also helps the Democrats don't have a criminal insurrectionist leading the party.

Anyone telling me I can’t participate in discourse involving totally valid criticisms about any politician can go kick rocks.

You can do whatever you want. What TV channels are interviewing you this week?

Also, how is discussing his drastic turn towards conservative politics “amplifying GOP talking points”?

I'm referring to what Fetterman was criticizing, not what the OP or others here discuss about Fetterman or Biden.

Ahh yeah, America surely needs more brain damages politicians advocating for genocide…

Oh, Gaza. Right. I am so sick of hearing about "genocide". It's BS. Despite what Israel has done over the decades, Hamas is responsible for this. They launched an offensive that had no clear objectives (like autonomy) other than killing Israelis, and specifically civilians. Now that they're getting their ass handed to them, which was inevitable, losing a poorly-conceived offensive is coined "genocide". Hamas thanks you.

50-something 30+ year Democrat that has seen Democrats do a really good job at losing elections and letting the GOP walk all over them.

Maybe because your generations idea of a progressive is John Fetterman? Maybe because Democrats have just become the GOP from the 90s, and thats not typically what actual progressives want?

John Fetterman beat two other well-pedigreed Democratic Senate nomination candidates, won an election over a very publicly popular GOP candidate, and took the seat of Republican Pat Toomey. While this is one data point that you cite, it doesn't support that "my generation's" idea of progressive is losing elections. If a lack of "sufficiently progressive" candidates is losing elections for Democrats due to progressives not voting for Democrats, those progressives are shooting themselves in the foot as the only what to get more left-leaning Democrats is to actually win elections.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Well, it also helps the Democrats don't have a criminal insurrectionist leading the party.

Ahh, so we adopt the same ideologies as them. Surely equating valid criticism as aiding the enemy will lead to a better democratic candidate......

This is exactly how the GOP fell to a fascist, by making criticism within the party political suicide.

You can do whatever you want.

Make you kick rocks? I mean I guess, but I'm going to need an address?

What TV channels are interviewing you this week?

Like 10-12. I didn't think it was anything special, but apparently being your mom's 1000th customer is pretty big news. I didn't even know prostitution was such a celebrated custom up north!

what Fetterman was criticizing

Palestinians right to existence?

am so sick of hearing about "genocide". It's BS. Despite what Israel has done over the decades, Hamas is responsible for this.

What would you call it? At what point do war crimes turn into genocide?

They launched an offensive that had no clear objectives (like autonomy) other than killing Israelis, and specifically civilians.

And that is bad..... correct? Doesn't that imply that killing civilians is inappropriate? Hmm it's almost like it's a war crime or something?

So if killing 700 civilians is bad, what is killing 25k?

Now that they're getting their ass handed to them

Well they are mostly killing women and children, so I guess that makes it easier?

losing a poorly-conceived offensive is coined "genocide"

It's mostly the targeting of civilian population, the collective punishment, the targeting of key civilian infrastructure, the targeting of international journalists and aid workers, the targeting of hospitals, and the summary executions.

Then there's the fact that Hamas only had 25k members and they've already killed well over 25k people, most of which have been women and children. So either Hamas was primarily made up of women and children.......or the idfs not really discriminating against who they are killing.

candidates is losing elections for Democrats due to progressives not voting for Democrats, those progressives are shooting themselves in the foot as the only what to get more left-leaning Democrats is to actually win elections.

You can't vote for someone if they aren't even an option? Democrats win when we can actually get young people excited to vote. It's the whole reason Fetterman won in the first place.

It's not a battle between having just a better candidate than the Republicans, it's about getting a candidate that's progressive enough to get young people to the booths.