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Trump wants to commit genocide against brown people.
Trump wants to commit genocide against queer people.
Trump would be happy to let Israel continue their genocide against Palestinians.
But don't vote for "Genocide Joe!"
Someone this morning suggested voting for Cenk Uygur. Who was born in Turkey from Turkish parents. He isn't even eligible to be president. That'll sure stop any one of those three genocides.
If you can't stop ALL evil, why bother stopping any of it?
If you can't reduce ALL harm, why bother reducing any of it?
I wonder how some people muster the motivation to get up in the mornings with their way of thinking.
Those people don't actually have a reason to get up in the morning, and Trump makes them believe that's because of Dems.
I find it incredible how Trump could make anyone believe anything. They have to be so deep in an alternate world.
I like listening to YT (most of the time - they keep harping on Gaza so much lately and I've started skipping through some of those. I get that it's a big deal, but it's been 100% of the content for recent shows. I also don't like it much when Cenk sometimes gets so emotional that he's cutting off Ana as well. ) but I don't really understand what Cenk's thing is with running. He's explained it multiple times and it still doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
I feel like a large part of this is blaming the voter for something they didn't ask for.
Democrats: LA LA LA! I'm not Listening, vote for Biden or lose your democracy.
Democrats: La La La! I'm not listening, vote for Biden or lose your democracy! Also we're going to smuggle some weapons for Israel free of charge!
He's not going to win, but a shocking concept of where a political rival aligns with your ideals and you "Want" to vote for him.
Versus a candidate that abandons those ideals and blames/gaslights you for not supporting their off moral behavior.
Who should I vote for to stop Trump from implementing those genocides? Give me a name please. Show me the likelihood of them winning.
Standing up for a candidate that aligns with your wants/needs? 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% chance
Letting genocides slide with no repercussions: 0%
You appear to have not read my post and just posted something unrelated.
I will ask you again:
Who should I vote for to stop Trump from implementing those genocides? Give me a name please. Show me the likelihood of them winning.
I do apologize, I probably should have added more context between my posts.
Ah, I see, you either don't understand math or don't understand the constitution.
Cenk cannot be president. He was not born in the United States. His parents weren't even citizens. He has a 0% chance of being able to stop a genocide. Not a 0 with a decimal point, a bunch of other zeroes and then a 1. 0. Zero. Goose egg. Nothing. Nada.
You might as well vote for Prince Harry.
Your words:
Also, my words:
So you neither did that nor were accurate about his ability to be elected and prevent genocide because, again, he can't be elected.
So unless you're trying to claim that voting for someone who can't get elected will somehow stop Trump... otherwise, again, tell me who to vote for who will stop Trump from implementing the genocides he and his people have already announced their intentions to implement.
I feel like we are arguing semantics when we say stuff like Republican genocide vs Democrat genocide and asking which one is worse. When obviously the answer is both are wrong and counter productive to a growing society.
So..... what are democrats going to do about it?
Because it seems republicans have made their minds up.
This is what I said:
I'm not asking which one is worse, I'm saying there will be three under Trump.
Do you really think Biden plans to cleanse the U.S. of brown people and queer people? Or is it not genocide when it's queer people and the wrong kind of brown people?
How do you make peace with one genocide? I don't mean this as a 'gotcha' question, but it's literally a thing I don't know how to handle. Thanks.
Sounds like it will be a real blood bath, what are democrats going to do about it?
Because for me it's sounds pretty simple
Cease fire in Gaza
Resume food aid into Gaza
Really simple and quite easy to do. But if they don't want to do that.... they can always....
Try someone besides Biden
Push economic policies that help Americans
But if they really didn't want to do that and wanted to lose an election, all they have to do is the same thing they are right now.
People are people whether they live in the US or not. I am not going to put one on a balance over the other.
But I am not going to agree with one flavor of genocide over the other, just because Biden's is fruit punch flavored.
So... what are democrats going to do about it, because the ball is in their court.
Let me give you a little dose of realism.
We are long past the point where voting in a presidential election can disrupt the status quo.
Under the current circumstances, voting in the presidential can never be anything more than harm reduction. There are only 3 options when it comes to voting:
Vote for Trump and accelerate the US decline to neofascism.
Throw away your vote on a 3rd party candidate who will never - and could never - win, likely contributing to the decline since conservatives are considerably less likely to vote 3rd party.
Vote for Biden to stave off the decline as much as possible while pursuing other means of affecting change.
Even if a large enough number voted 3rd party to make Democrats take notice, the Democrats are not going to change in any meaningful way. The best they will give us is more of the same, paying lip service to leftist ideas while compromising with corporations and the right at every possible opportunity.
If you want things to change in this country you need to protest, engage in direct action and mutual aid, unionize, and do everything you can think of to create and grow alternative institutions of power.
Edit to include voting in primaries and voting local if you live in an area where that could possibly help.
Look im voting for Biden but I'm not giving anyone shit who abstains to vote in this election, especially Palestinian Americans. How do you explain to a guy who lost 42 relatives in a Gaza in a single day that they should vote for either candidate? Hell how do you convince Muslims to vote for either?
We're in a sad state of affairs in that a major argument against a candidate is they'll help commit less genocide than the other. We should all be a lot more embarrassed than what we currently are.
By appealing to the same basic sense of humanity present in other voters, unless your argument is that Muslim Americans only care about what happens to Palestinians, and not what happens to them, their American coreligionists, undocumented immigrants, asylum seekers, LGBTQ people, non-white folk, women, and all other non-Christians. Not to mention abroad Ukrainians, Iranians, Taiwanese...
On top of that, you might point out that Israel is determined to finish their genocide with or without American help. All abstaining or voting third party does is rob them of choosing any other qualities of the president they may want or not want.
Biden isn't committing genocide though, neither is the US. Israel is doing it. The US has prior agreements to support its allies and a vested interest in protecting trade in the area, but it is not actively participating in Israel's genocide. Claiming the US is responsible for Israel's actions is like claiming the US is responsible for Saudi Arabia's blockade and subsequent famine in Yemen, or like claiming NATO is responsible for the war in Ukraine.
It's a common tactic of fascist communist regimes to try and bring the US or NATO into things they're only tangentally related to, when ironically they are no more related than the accusers.
Yes, Biden and the US should be taking a harder stance against Israel, but be careful not to devolve it into fascist talking points.
Dude. If you give a guy a missile and he drops it on civilians, then asks for more missiles….. and then you give him more missiles.
You are the one committing genocide.
Biden and the United States is engaged in genocide. If you believe otherwise you are not living in reality.
The United States is engaged in multiple genocides.
And yet, when I've brought up this one, a genocide entirely perpetrated by Republicans, three times over the past two days, it's either been ignored or denied.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide#United_States
While I do have a few friends who are trans, I don’t know enough about the issue to comment very much.
I do know the republicans are bigoted towards trans, same with many religious groups, and that trans are targets of crime way more often than other groups….
I would argue instead that while genocide is happening in the US, that doesn't mean it is directly enacted by the US government, ie the White House.
Meanwhile, under Trump, ICE were actively perfoming involuntary hysterectomies on immigrant detainees - a textbook form of genocide by a Federal agency directed by the White House.
The US is quircky in that there are many layers of government. Certain layers are indeed genocidal, but they're not in charge of the entire country. The US government is in charge of the country, State governments are a lower authority.