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How the fuck is money gonna fix this?
All prisons must go. Its inhumane to incarcerate people.
That's an interesting take. What do you recommend be done with criminals? Especially violent ones?
have you heard of restorative justice? it's a studied method that's proven more effective than prisons to rehabilitate offenders and heal the harm they've caused
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And when people are repeat offenders and enjoy killing people? Then what...
Then you lock them together with the people who did lesser crimes and can be rehabilitated to ensure they too will end up more likely to do crimes, maybe even bigger ones, when eventually released.
You seem to be intentionally obtuse.
It's a legitimate question, though. There are many people who genuinely enjoy harming others. There really is no "rehabilitation" for someone who is disinterested in modifying their harmful behavior. Segregating those people from society is a safety issue.
Rehabilitation for other people is excellent, but we still need a solution for those who cannot be rehabilitated.
Well, considering we don’t actually have any rehabilitation in the United States….. you’re basically arguing that we should continue to trample on the human rights of prisoners because you believe that there are people who can not be rehabilitated.
I'm not arguing against rehab or prison reform. You are right that we desperately need it. I'm arguing against the total abolishment of some kind of prison system because there are some who simply should not be allowed near the public. Porque no los dos?
Both are possible, but until we have an actual rehabilitation system we will continue to incarcerate innocent people I suppose
True. Sad, but true.
Please provide your evidence of "many people" who deserve your version of justice.
even if only one person proved utterly disinterested in rehabilitating themselves, you'd still need some kind of escape hatch built into the system to handle them
getting bogged down in specific frequencies is kind of missing the point
This is just the very first result in a litany of numerous results in a quick internet search for this. It seems there is no shortage of research on this topic available for you to read directly without my potential contamination of it. But, here's a preview for you. Hope this helps.
A 2021 meta-analysis conducted by international scholars from Spain, Bulgaria, Sweden and the UK found a significant portion of the human population to be psychopaths as defined by the PCL-R.
Regarding the significance of psychopathy among people found guilty of a crime or incarcerated, they mention:
It's important to note that I am not espousing a "version of justice" as you put it. My concern is simply with segregating harmful people from potential victims to prevent additional harm.
Science has discovered many (primarily) men in leadership roles (politics, business, etc) are sociopaths.
Does that mean they're supposed to be jailed as well ... because nothing you've listed there talks about that.
The claim isn’t that psychopaths must be jailed. It’s that psychopaths must be jailed when they engage in criminal behavior, because the non-jailing methods for rehabilitating people don’t work in psychopaths.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
Is that effectiveness based on statistical aggregations?
Because if so, the system’s not adhering to the necessary design constraint of “must handle all possible human behavior”.