Fediverse

If there's one company you should preemptively block, it's Facebook. They have a track record of destroying anything and everything they touch and there is zero reason to think it won't be the same this time. From this post:

They aren’t some new, bright-eyed group with no track record. They’re a borderline Machiavellian megacorporation with a long and continuing history of extremely hostile actions:

• Helping enhance genocides in countries
• Openly and willingly taking part in political manipulation (see Cambridge Analytica)
• Actively have campaigned against net neutrality and attempted to make “facebook” most of the internet for members of countries with weaker internet infra - directly contributing to their amplification of genocide (see the genocide link for info)
• Using their users as non-consenting subjects to psychological experiments.
• Absolutely ludicrous invasions of privacy - even if they aren’t able to do this directly to the Fediverse, it illustrates their attitude.
• Even now, they’re on-record of attempting to get instance admins to do backdoor discussions and sign NDAs.

They are already bad actors.

These companies are horrible. It's the right time to block them right now.

Week 1, the entire global Page is Kylie Jenner pictures

With enough instances not federating threads thr data they can get will become spotty.

I understand it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but there's nothing on threads I want to receive.

CMV: The people who want to receive data from Threads should just...make a freaking Threads account. The whole argument to connect with them at all is weird. It's like recording a Disney movie to your DVR box and setting up streaming from your smart TV to your tablet so you can now enjoy the movie you recorded in bed....when you could've just downloaded the freaking Disney+ app.

It's also (somehow) like when you're already in shorts and a t-shirt but still a little warm and someone else wants to turn the A/C off cause they're cold. They can put on more clothes and be totally comfy, I cannot (politely) take any more clothes off.

Basically my understanding of the fear is this:

Meta joins.

Meta makes friends with everyone because they are playing the long con. They act nice to start, play by the rules, etc. nobody thinks they are nefarious.

Meta develops features that users want on top of the existing framework. These features are things everyone actually wants, not what meta wants because meta is hooking people -give them what they want so they use it, then walk it back later, perhaps silently as a “bug” that just never gets “fixed”- perhaps they suppress aspects of the platform, like make the community/individual finding hide the instance it’s on to make it feel more like centralized social media, perhaps they release entirely new features that enhance the experience. Either way, they make small changes because they can, which lowers the experience of those who interact with it because it’s intentionally buggy with FOSS versions. They likely have FOSS versions running so they can test compatibility to make sure they provide a slightly better experience (why wouldn’t they?)

Users join the meta instance for the enhanced features because they don’t actually care about how the fediverse works, they want a seamless experience (which currently the fediverse does not really offer, none of us can say otherwise)

Meta becomes the biggest instances of activity pub, but with enhancements that make other instances super buggy.

Nobody wants to be on the buggy instances so they switch to meta if they don’t care about privacy.

Meta pulls plug. Fediverse dies (they hope) or at least goes back to only being used by the small subset of the population that would never consider the giants to be options. They pulled all the people they could from what already existed.

Now whether or not that’s actually an issue for a platform that actively wants to be “counterculture” (which fedi absolutely does) is yet to be seen… but we already know what meta wants, which is money, and FOSS and money aren’t really compatible. Just on principle. So what meta wants and what they are doing are at odds currently, and I think it’s only a matter of time before they show the hand they have to play.

But I think that’s what the “defederate immediately” group is hoping to prevent. We all joined because we are sick of the hostile takeovers (even if the media companies technically have every right to do so with their own product) and to prevent being beholden to one of the major players. If everyone defederates immediately, meta won’t be able to actually embrace, because they aren’t being embraced back. At that point all they can really do is fork the software, but they would probably scrap it. It’s not exactly a great platform for a company that has their own.

Importantly, why else would they adopt it? What value does free and largely unmonotizeable software actually have for meta? If they wanted to for themselves, they could easily build a Twitter clone. They didn’t. They adopted a free open source platform. Why? What value does that hold for them over just making their own, if they don’t feel threatened by the alternative?

@ninekeysdown just more people using the fediverse isnt the main goal. or at least my goal. its keeping the stuff foss, privacy respecting, and etc. activity pub allows for federation but what is built on top of it can be proprietary as hell. as is the case of threads. im threatened by threads because its taking away peoples privacy.