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There's a meme being debated right now that says McDonald's workers in Denmark make $22 U.S. per hour plus they have 6 weeks of vacation.

Is this accurate? U.S. McDonald's workers make much less than this.

Can you work at a fast food place like McDonald's and have a decent standard of living?


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (5 children)

forskaegskyld at 2024-02-14 03:31:28+00:00 ID: kqc4w12


For context, Denmark is geared towards both parents working. It's hard to support a family on a single wage here. But 2 parents working on mc Donald wage can afford a 4 room appartment in Copenhagen and feed their kids

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

insaneartichoke at 2024-02-14 10:08:53+00:00 ID: kqdjmny


a 4 room???? Where do you have your data from

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

ipomopsis at 2024-02-14 05:46:34+00:00 ID: kqclb48


Any Americans reading this- in Denmark we count total “living” rooms. This is not a 4 bedroom apt, it’s literally 4 rooms. Living room, dining room, 2 bedrooms (kitchen and bath aren’t part of the count.) Laundry is either communal or in the kitchen or bathroom.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Scottybadotty at 2024-02-14 06:58:43+00:00 ID: kqcs3q2


Which we really should change. Makes absolutely no sense to me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Jondare at 2024-02-14 07:22:27+00:00 ID: kqcu49l


I'd rather everyone else change, our way makes much more sense and gives much more information. A 2 bedroom apartment can technically have literally any amount of extra rooms, where as you know exactly how many rooms a danish 4 room apartment has - hint, it's 4! Not to mention how fluid bedrooms can often be. Sure sole rooms can't easily be used as one, but most can, and all bedrooms can definitely be used for offices or such.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Igotanewpen at 2024-02-14 12:12:12+00:00 ID: kqdhwub


In Britain the estate agent will say a house has X number of bedrooms and then when you go see the house it is very common that one of the "bedrooms" is too small to fit a bed in there. I don't know why the estate agents love to waste their own and the customer's time.

"But you can use it as a study". Twats!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Then-Pomegranate-632 at 2024-02-14 10:14:24+00:00 ID: kqd7hol


Only reason I want it to change is that I hate 1 room apartments, should be outlawd beside anything but dorms

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Comfortable_Put7812 at 2024-02-14 15:06:36+00:00 ID: kqe53w7


And WEF wants us to live in a single room cube apartment by 2030, in a SMAAAART CITY, where they can have a chain around our necks, and the camera up our ass, “for being the filthy eaters, who are too expensive to maintain”, meanwhile they have made committees, there who have the power to exterminate you, if you’re too expensive for the societies, and not to forget, the climate’s well-being.😂😂😂😂 Genocide is not only happening in Gaza. World War III, and genocide against Homo-sapien, and then their livestock, started back in 2020 by their first lockdown on humanity .

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Comfortable_Put7812 at 2024-02-14 15:07:22+00:00 ID: kqe58at


Genocide is not only happening in Gaza. World War III, and genocide against Homo-sapien, and then their livestock, started back in 2020 by their first lockdown on humanity .

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

KoldKartoffelsalat at 2024-02-14 12:13:46+00:00 ID: kqdi2mk


I lived in one in my young days.

There was a little hallway, a bathroom and a small storage for clothing, etc.

Kitchen and bed in the living room.

It was okay for me when I was single.

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Then-Pomegranate-632 at 2024-02-14 12:19:27+00:00 ID: kqdio3f


I just hate it, and the price for them are really expensive, compared to what you get

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Kitesir at 2024-02-14 09:05:43+00:00 ID: kqd28fm


Can't blame other people for not knowing a danish apartment that says it has 4 rooms really has 24 rooms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

CookieFlux at 2024-02-14 09:10:40+00:00 ID: kqd2lyn


A danish apartment with 4 rooms has: 4 rooms + (kitchen + bathroom+maybe a hallway)

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Faulty_grammar_guy at 2024-02-14 09:30:32+00:00 ID: kqd449x


4! = 4*3*2*1 = 24

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MonochromeInc at 2024-02-14 10:10:31+00:00 ID: kqd76ou


Er du sikker på at dit brugernavn ikke skulle være factorial grammar guy i stedet?

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xibalba89 at 2024-02-14 11:24:53+00:00 ID: kqddcrd


I don't think you understand how Americans use the term "bedroom". Let me illustrate:

A 4-bedroom house would never have a bunch of extra rooms that aren't dining rooms, kitchens, or bathrooms. Those are things I would expect. And you typically list the bathrooms as well. For example, you would say a "4-bedroom, 2.5 bath" for a house that has 4 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, but only two showers/bathtubs. I would expect a kitchen and living room, which go without saying. (If the house doesn't have a kitchen, you'd better fucking say it up front, or you're going to have some disappointed potential buyers/renters). And of the 4 bedrooms, it's up to the occupant to decide how they use them (as an office, gameroom, whatever). No architect or builder is going to tell me how to use those rooms! But the Danish way doesn't specify anything, and gives LESS information. Would the house in my example be a 9 room house? What would you assume about a 9 room house?

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xibalba89 at 2024-02-14 12:23:22+00:00 ID: kqdj3a4


I explain it below, but you've fundamentally misunderstood the way the "bedrooms" are counted in the States. They are any room that isn't a bathroom, living room, or kitchen. In house I live in now (in Denmark), it's listed as a 5-room house, with one bathroom. In the States, it would be a 4-bedroom house. The only difference is the kitchen / dining room / living room, which is all one continuous room. In the States, none of these would be counted as bedrooms anyhow. The other rooms are currently used as three bedrooms and an office. The previous occupants used the room we use as an office as a bedroom, and one of the bedrooms for storage. No fundamental difference between the two systems. Neither system accounts for the scullery (bryggers), which isn't big enough to be considered a room by either system. So there's not much difference between the systems, but the American system has a bit more clarity, since you don't have to guess about kitchen and dining rooms there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

SimonGray at 2024-02-14 07:25:24+00:00 ID: kqcucy4


Nah, the Americans should be the ones to change. Counting total rooms is much more logical than just counting bedrooms.

And those pesky Americans should also start counting floors from level 0... and switch to metric while they're at it!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

xibalba89 at 2024-02-14 12:28:06+00:00 ID: kqdjlpy


And those pesky Americans should also start counting floors from level 0... and switch to metric while they're at it!

Yes, because it makes lots of sense to say "I'm on the first floor of a 3-story building" when you mean the second floor. (That's how ordinal numbers work - we start with first, not zeroth.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

SimonGray at 2024-02-14 12:48:59+00:00 ID: kqdlyxv


Kinda silly to start a discussion based on my silly comment, but now that you did...

In a world where no underground floors exist, I guess counting from 1 can make sense, that part's true... but since we do tend to have floors underground, I find it a lot more logical to think of floors as a scale around 0. Otherwise you would either have to number the 1st basement floor 0 or skip 2 floors between the ground floor and the basement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

xibalba89 at 2024-02-14 12:50:21+00:00 ID: kqdm4uw


Basement floors are 0 in the States.

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SimonGray at 2024-02-14 12:53:10+00:00 ID: kqdmh4m


My point exactly. That is nonsensical.

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xibalba89 at 2024-02-14 12:55:20+00:00 ID: kqdmqf3


Why? They're underground, and NOT the norm.

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Gex1234567890 at 2024-02-14 12:10:31+00:00 ID: kqdhqm6


And last, but not least, they REAAALLY need to join a labor union!

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lordnacho666 at 2024-02-14 07:47:39+00:00 ID: kqcw5mg


As long as it's common to quote a total size it's fine

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Fillifax at 2024-02-14 10:11:05+00:00 ID: kqd7898


The system makes no sense - according to BBR (that's the official housing specifications), my apartment is 4 floors and 1 room in total.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

macnof at 2024-02-14 10:28:05+00:00 ID: kqd8ku1


That's a reporting error. The owner of a building has a responsibility to ensure BBR is correct.

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Fillifax at 2024-02-14 10:32:52+00:00 ID: kqd8yhp


It's not an error, there's a reason for all of it. Floor 1: Kitchen, entrance/hallway, and toilet, neither counts as a room Floor 2: Bedroom, but the ceiling isn't the required 230cm tall which is a prerequisite to be counted as a room Floor 3: Technically an alcove (hems) which is big enough to be considered a floor but as it is an alcove, it is not considered a room Floor 4: The living room, the only room considered a room by BBR

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

macnof at 2024-02-14 10:37:30+00:00 ID: kqd9byc


That sounds like an awesome apartment!

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Fillifax at 2024-02-14 10:38:14+00:00 ID: kqd9e12


If you don't mind the 3 sets of stairs it's great!

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Zapador at 2024-02-14 09:34:15+00:00 ID: kqd4ea8


Why? It makes sense to count general purpose rooms and just exclude bathroom and kitchen. At least to me. But well, as long as everyone agrees how to count it, it's fine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

WindJester at 2024-02-14 09:15:19+00:00 ID: kqd2ymo


Actually, not always. We live in a 3 room apartment which is living room + 2 bedrooms (or whatever you use the second room for). In addition, on top of kitchen and bathrooms, we got a separate laundry room in the apartment which is fully usable but not part of the count for some reason. We also got a small dining area attached to the kitchen, which is still the kitchen, but still does potentially serve a separate purpose

What you're saying is definitely the standard though, just pointing out there can be minor deviances from it

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Piggy_time_ at 2024-02-14 09:39:01+00:00 ID: kqd4rkx


This comment really added value to the thread, thank you for telling us about your particular situation.

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WindJester at 2024-02-14 09:41:17+00:00 ID: kqd4xr5


Considering I was replying to a comment specifically addressing how rooms are counted, it did 🤷‍♂️ you're free to disagree/not like it, tbh I don't really care

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MemorianX at 2024-02-14 12:46:37+00:00 ID: kqdlp7i


It's because you count livable rooms, the laundry room properly doesn't adheade to the fire code or something

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ishoi at 2024-02-14 07:23:22+00:00 ID: kqcu70j


Hvor er vi henne i København i dette statement? Lønnen tilsvarer ca 24,5 k før skat, pr. mand.

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olkver at 2024-02-14 07:28:26+00:00 ID: kqcultx


Før eller efter at du har stået 30 år på venteliste ?

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invisi1407 at 2024-02-14 10:25:19+00:00 ID: kqd8csw


Det er sådan lidt værste tilfælde - nogle står kun på venteliste i 10 år og nogle er heldige efter 6 år; det kommer meget an på lokationen, størrelsen og tilstanden af lejligheden.

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laugefar at 2024-02-14 08:25:21+00:00 ID: kqcz4zp


Andelslejlighed, måske?

Jeg tjener pt. 25.000 efter skat, og jeg er eneste indkomst, da min hustru er under uddannelse. Vi betaler månedligt 10.000 for ydelse + lån.

Så to på McDonaldsløn ville nok have samme mulighed.

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mil1980 at 2024-02-14 08:24:51+00:00 ID: kqcz3ll


Det er ca. 33K udbetalt for 2 personer. Så meget bruger vi slet ikke for 2 voksne uden børn i Kbh. Vi ville stadig have 8K til opsparing hver måned.

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AieraThrowaway at 2024-02-14 08:53:14+00:00 ID: kqd1ahp


Så meget bruger vi slet ikke for 2 voksne uden børn i Kbh.

Ja selvfølgelig, det ville jo også være en kende vanvi...

Vi ville stadig have 8K til opsparing hver måned.

...okay, 25k i husleje lyder stadig pænt vildt, medmindre altså at du mente 8k i opsparing til hver person. 17k i husleje er også ret meget.

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mil1980 at 2024-02-14 09:04:20+00:00 ID: kqd24m0


Nej. 25K i alt for faste udgifter (9K), husholdning (11K) og forbrug (5K). Det kunne sagtens være lavere, men vi er lidt nogle luksusdyr.

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throwaway85256e at 2024-02-14 09:50:38+00:00 ID: kqd5nid


Så har I da i hvert fald også stået på venteliste til almene boliger i 15+ år. Alle ikke-almene 4-værelses boliger i København koster nemt 15,000-17,000 kr. om måneden.

Bare for kontekst, så koster halvdelen af alle 1- og 2-værelses på hele Sjælland, som er tilgængelige på boligportalen, over 11,000 om måneden i ren husleje.

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Tiffana at 2024-02-14 09:44:24+00:00 ID: kqd56c0


Hvor er den 4V’er? Sådan en koster hurtigt 15-20.000 kun i husleje

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mil1980 at 2024-02-14 09:58:03+00:00 ID: kqd680b


Det er 3V i Valby, men vi har heller ikke børn. Ja, der er venteliste. Men selv om huslejen var højere ville der stadig være penge til opsparing. Forbrug og husholdning kunne også nemt være omkring det halve.

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DeihX at 2024-02-14 07:44:39+00:00 ID: kqcvwtm


Not sure about that. Unless they know someone who knows someone that sets them up with super cheap rent. 4 room apartment on marketrent would be close to 15k-25K per month.

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Xx_bornrisky_xX at 2024-02-14 09:53:45+00:00 ID: kqd5w53


This is total nonsense. A 4 bedroom apartment in Copenhagen starts at 15000 DKK, which is more than half of their combined net salary. I don't get why Danes are so obsessed with peddling this fairy tale BS to foreginers.

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Librask at 2024-02-14 10:23:51+00:00 ID: kqd88kx


4 room is not the same as 4 bedroom apartments

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Xx_bornrisky_xX at 2024-02-14 10:42:18+00:00 ID: kqd9pzh


I know, but since 4-værelses in Danish implies 4 bedrooms by convention, I assume OP means that. Nobody counts bathrooms as rooms in Denmark, as another poster below also pointed out.

edit: and the post he replied to said "2 room apartment". So context is really not in your favor on this one.