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In a conversation about the situation with two people I care about, they both felt the need to say 'the situation is complicated '
I'm struggling with that. What's complicated about standing up against genocide?
Nothing. But the fact that IDF and the Israeli government are genocidal terrorists may be difficult and uncomfortable for moderates who just want to be able to live their privileged lives without having to deal with the dirty topics.
I think that's it. They both come from places of great privilege inside of a very privileged country
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It’s disgusting watching how the horrors of the holocaust and all the pain and suffering the Jewish people experience during pogroms and actual anti-semitism throughout history, get hijacked by zealots for their political causes, and is used as a shield to stifle debate and nuance
Okay, I'll bite. It's complicated because Israel is now a fact on the ground. It is spear-won territory, whatever you might think of that morally. Israel was created by the UN, the existing Palestinian population was largely pushed out so that the Jews would be able to form a majority ethnostate. Naturally, the Palestinians and their neighbours weren't too happy about that. So, they fought four wars against the Jews, and the Jews won. The Palestinians continue the struggle using guerilla tactics and terrorism. The Jews, understandably, crack down harder every time this terrorism happens. And the harder they crack down, the angrier the Palestinians and their neighbours get. It's a shitty cycle that has been happening for decades. On top of that, the foreign governments and religious fanatics that support the Palestinians are also usually shouting Death to America and the Decadent West. And some of them then commit terrorist acts in the West. So, yeah, it is complicated for Western observers. If the situation wasn't complicated it would have been solved years ago.
I'm sure we all know the truth, which is that most people in the West are just tired of it. Yes, young people get upset about it for a while, but then they become just as cynical about the Middle East as the previous generation. We all know that the Israelis and Palestinians have to make peace. That can't happen until the fanatics on both sides are out of power. Atrocities have now been committed on both sides, and once grief has taken over from anger, those atrocities will have to be duly punished on both sides so that the pre-October 7 situation will be thoroughly discredited. Peace will only be possible if both populations simultaneously prioritize peace and compromise, and elect leaders who feel the same way.
There will be peace because one side isn't going to exist in a few years. Israel is definitely moving into the west bank after they're done with Gaza.
Who else will rebuild it, Gazans?
There is no way that the Palestinians won't "exist" in a few years. The question is whether Isrsel and Palestine return to the pre-October 7 status quo, or if the two sides will be sufficiently motivated by the war to prioritize a two-state peace over their national ambitions.