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I thought this was a hoax the first time I saw this story. But apparently not. The man is becoming a parody of himself.

12ft.io link for those who cannot be arsed with the Indie: https://12ft.io/proxy?&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Flabour-green-climate-change-starmer-miliband-b2372012.html

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

"Tree Huggers" to me is a short hand for Group 1 but that is subjective and either of us could be right.

I think it is a big claim to say Starmer doesn't believe in the climate catastrophe, we should probably have a bit more evidence before making such a claim.

[–] julietOscarEcho 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't know why you'd think that given that the language is used specifically in rejection of miliband's green agenda which includes extensive investment in green energy.

You seem to have both set up a weird "group 1" strawman (that if it really exists is entirely marginalised from the actual debate) and an idealised version of starmer that doesn't correspond with his expressed views.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those that prioritise preservation over progress have weaponised ecology to block development. They are sadly far from marginalised. For example a significant portion of NIMBYs abuse environmental law to block development from occurring near to them. You only have to look at the ban on on-shore wind for an example of this. People were worried about visual amenity, not ecology. That didn't stop them using ecology as part of their argument to get them banned.

[–] julietOscarEcho 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Your example about onshore wind (bird conservation as a convenient figleaf) shows precisely that NIMBYs are not environmentalists at all, hence not in "group1" by definition.

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