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And so it begins. Nine months still to go before the next US presidential election and already the Republican party favourite and former President Donald Trump is sending eyes rolling skywards with his seemingly outlandish statements.

And yet they will delight many of his supporters.

Suggesting at a rally in South Carolina that he would "encourage" aggressors (for example Russia) "to do whatever the hell they want" with Nato countries that fail to pay their dues has prompted an immediate slap down from the White House. A spokesman called the comment "appalling and unhinged", saying it was "encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes".

Nato Secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg has also responded forcefully, saying: "Any suggestion that allies will not defend each other undermines all of our security, including that of the US, and puts American and European soldiers at increased risk."

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 9 months ago (12 children)

But we are going to elect him anyway, because the other guy forgot a thing once. Just like we elected him 8 years ago, because the other one ran her own email server.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You forgot this:

How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election

"They believed they were more experienced, which they were. They believed they were smarter, which they weren't," said Donnie Fowler, who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee during the final months of the campaign. "They believed they had better information, which they didn't."

Rollins doesn't need a recount to understand why Clinton lost the state. "When you don't reach out to community folk and reach out to precinct campaigns and district organizations that know where the votes are, then you're going to have problems," she said.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

She ran a shit campaign. Everyone likes to forget that part

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Everyone also likes to forget that she won the poplar vote. She lost the electoral college, an anti-democratic institution that Democrats seem to think is really important to keep, despite the fact that keeping it often makes them impotent.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It frankly doesn't matter whether they want to keep it or not. It would take a constitutional convention to change and in the current climate that's going to go make things worse, not better.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There is one interesting workaround I've heard about from time to time, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. It's a state-level agreement where all the participating member states commit to allocating their electoral college votes to whomever won the popular vote nationally. No need for a constitutional convention since the allocation of electoral college votes is in the hands of state governments, they can decide to do this under the existing constitution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But you need states to agree to that, which runs into the same issue as an amendment does.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

You don't need as many states to agree to it. Just enough to swing the election.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We can also double the size of the House (if not more). Electoral college votes are distributed according to the number of House districts (plus 2 for the senators of each state). Congress can simply pass that law. This is a good idea, anyway, since it was last set in 1911 with a total US population that's less than a third of what it is today. It becomes harder gerrymander lots of smaller districts, as well, and it dilutes the effect of small states having outsized influence with their guaranteed 2 senate seats.

Would probably need to build new chambers for the House. The current one has 450 seats on the floor, plus 500 in the gallery that are normally for staff and guests, not elected members.

It'd be nice to ditch the electoral college system altogether instead of coming up with these workarounds.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So what? The popular vote means nothing. Her campaign was incredibly arrogant. She took the entire rust belt for granted and lost because of it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

"Pokemon GO to the polls." causes me physical pain to think about.

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[–] NobodyElse 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

We’re going to get Trump again (barf) because the DNC insists on running shit candidates and refuses to acknowledge that they are bad, instead insisting that the voters are just too ignorant to understand how good their candidates really are.

Hillary Clinton was a horrible candidate: immensely unpopular even with the Democrat base, running on a status quo platform right in the wake of disappointment with Obama’s failure to deliver on “hope and change”, and acting as if she was somehow entitled to the position.

Biden is not as bad as Clinton in most ways, but is utterly lackluster and feels more like a moderate Republican. His unwavering support for Israel during their campaign of atrocities is despicable and shameful. The fact that he’s totally ancient and losing his mind isn’t helpful in the least. Why can’t we have a more compelling candidate from the DNC?!

This post will get modded down and ignored, as will the incredibly common and widespread sentiment that it expresses, and we will get Trump again as the nation and the DNC acts shocked yet again. It’s so predictable and infuriating.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (15 children)

His unwavering support for Israel during their campaign of atrocities is despicable and shameful.

If we're going to get Trump again it's in part because of the absolutely all-or-nothing brook-no-compromise attitude of voters. Like this, for example. Biden's support has not been unwavering, he's criticized Israel's actions. But not enough for you, and so he gets no credit whatsoever for any moderation he might have. And that's why you say he "feels like a Republican" to you, because someone can only be 100% totally on your side or they must be on the other side.

I'd love for there to be a viable fully-progressive candidate who happened to agree with everything I believe in. I'd also love to have a pet unicorn. When elections actually roll around in reality, though, none of the candidates are going to be perfect. And unfortunately in many first-past-the-post electorates the system is set up in such a way that there are only two viable candidates. So pick the one that's closest to your views. Push for better candidates in the primary, of course, but accept that you won't always get everything you want.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Get out of reddit and take your reasonable pragmatic opinion with you.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Thats what i did. Day one, and im already banned from world news on Lemmy as well now. For calling out russian talking points when they came up.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then you're doing it right my friend. Hexbear and lemmy.world are overrun by Putin sympathizers who want nothing more than chaos and the continued decline of western democracy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

So messaging a mod wasnt a good move? xD

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The most popular worldnews lemmy is on lemmy.ml it is a tankie shit show.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Tankie bitches gonna tankie bitch.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

All the people critisizing """Genocide Joe""" give me a aneurysm when cosidering their alternative:

Attacking Biden, Ben Gvir says Trump would have been more supportive of Israel

National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir harshly criticized the Biden administration’s handling of the war in Gaza, accusing it of benefitting Hamas and arguing that Israel would have been better off dealing with a second Trump administration.

“Instead of giving us his full backing, [President Joe] Biden is busy with giving humanitarian aid and fuel, which goes to Hamas,” Ben Gvir declared in an interview with the Wall Street Journal published on Sunday. “If Trump was in power, the U.S. conduct would be completely different.”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Biden has actually done a lot to restrain Israel but the MSM fails, as usual because outrage sells. Too bad people just run with whatever is on hand.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Before New Hampshire's primary I thought Biden was fucked.

I'm still worried now, but I'm no longer sure we're doomed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

What happened at the new Hampshire primary? Im ootl

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

Not if we beat the drum about him being insane, instead of letting him get away with it as just another wacky thing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I mean, the people did elect her. She won the popular vote, but as I understand it, the electoral college had different plans.

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