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[–] [email protected] 213 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Let's ban a product instead of solving the issue at hand... Seriously? I hate my country more and more as each day passes

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (6 children)

While this is seems a bit incompetent, it is easier for them to make technology less available than to fix the underlying issues here. They might set out to do both, but solving the underlying issues will take more time.

At least they're trying to do the right thing, and they're making an effort to deal with a problem that affects real people. Good on them.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is like banning usb cables so Hyundai/Kia cars won’t be stolen, instead of forcing the car manufacturer to just install an actual immobilizer on affected vehicles. Seeing Hyundai/Kia do everything but install immobilizers is infuriating as well. They’re rolling out software updates, giving out wheel locks, installing cages on the ignition panel, etc. Literally everything but fix the problem.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The problem is they are banning a device that doesn't solve the issue at all except if you have a car from before the 90s. The tools being used for this are custom made with a much larger range. Maybe they should ban smartphones too since people are using them to detect laptops in cars to break into since they are being stupid about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How do you use a phone to detect a laptop in a car? If it’s on, sure I get it but if the laptop is asleep or off I can’t see how a phone will detect it?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Article said they were using Bluetooth and a app on play store / app store I assume the app measures the signal strength to determine the proximity to the devices. Maybe some laptops don't turn off Bluetooth in their sleep state or people just weren't putting their laptops to sleep? Could pickup tablets or phones forgotten in cars too.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As he said, that only works if the device is on, which would be really odd in a car. I'm not aware of any that keep comms on in sleep, since those are typically high power draw.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Most MacBooks keep Bluetooth on when in sleep mode. There isn’t even a setting to stop it, the only option is to manually turn Bluetooth off before closing the lid or to use 3rd party software to automate turning it off.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

It won't stop theives from being able to obtain them. And it's a legit tool, should we ban all usb because they can be used to steal Hyundai and Kia cars?

It's obvious there are flaws to car manufacturers theft protection. Shit watch LPL, lock noob, Bosnian Bill (hope you're doing well brother) and you will see most locks are a fucking joke.

There are Defcon vids on YouTube that go over how cars can be hacked yet manufacturers are still using these systems

[–] Kalcifer 4 points 10 months ago

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

This device is probably not what a professional car thief would use. It may be used sometimes by someone messing around, but it's a tool made for an introduction into different types of penetration (testing). It doesn't do anything as well as a more dedicated device would, and it's also not as customizable. If a car is vulnerable to this then it's vulnerable to a lot more things. Also, if someone really wants to steal your car they don't need this device specifically.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

More like hide the problem so no one knows about it. This is the entire locksmith ideology, security through obscurity and that has been working out great hasn't it?

I don't have any faith in our incompetent government to do anything right if it costs corporations money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I figure half the purpose of these sorts of devices is to prove just how insecure certain systems are to bring about change. Governments rarely have a good grasp on this sort of thing though. It's not like banning the device will make anyone more secure.