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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

The irony of "all billionaires bad" is that Taylor Swift earned that money through album sales and live touring. She wasn't actively exploiting the labor of workers in order to be rich, she is just that popular.

And before everyone jumps down my ass about my opinion sounding too conservative for Lemmy, I invite you to check out my post history.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The thousands of people making those records sell and shows happen:

There is no self made billionaire, a billion is an absurd amount of wealth a singular person cannot actually earn or be worth.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

"To make apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe" ~Carl Sagan

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

People payed $2,000 a ticket to see Taylor perform... that was their decision.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He's talking about all the people working at the label and concert agency. Do you think the technicians and riggers whot take care of all the audio, light and show effects get more money at her concerts? What about the people doing the security, check-in, cleaning and so on?

Try having a concert without any of these. There is hundreds of people working to make stadion concerts happen.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

you think she get's that $2000? how naive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Does she get more than a performer who's ticket is $100?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i have no idea, but it's not Taylor swift that's selling those tickets for that much, it's ticketmaster/stubhub and the like. she likely gets X amount from the venue to play there and the ticket sales all go to the venue. that's the way it worked at the 4 day music festivals I've worked at. we paid the performers X amount, that had ZERO to do with how much we were charging for tickets. They got no portion of our sales.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's how it is. Artists from the calibre of TS get a fixed amount of money for a complete tour contract from the tour management. Regardless how many tickets are sold or whatever the tickets cost. The tour management is responsible to manage everything with the venues, the ticket sale companies, and all subcontractors like stage riggers etc.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

She wasn't actively exploiting the labor of workers in order to be rich

You sure about that?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What a sad state of affairs that you feel the need to "defend" yourself by claiming you're not conservative. What the hell happened that we can't have differing opinions without making blanket disclaimers?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

At least here in the US, conservatism is associated with pretty much nothing good. Elimination of trans people (and then da gays after that), more guns, less healthcare, less education, less vaccines, less social responsibility, more taxes for the poor, less taxes for the rich, jailing people for getting abortions, furthering wars that we can feed our soldiers to for money, insurrection and fascism, fox news.

Distancing yourself from that dumpster fire is prudent.

Edit: The social responsibility thing was a dumb one. I was thinking of something else. Disregard that one point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

No, you were right about the social irresponsibility; it's covered by the christofascist element

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

lumping everyone who believes part of those is not prudent either. I believe in thinking for one's self. I believe in live and let live. You have ever right to be offended, but being offended means fuck all. I believe 2A is integral to our country and protects the rest of the constitution. I believe in more healthcare. our system is broken. but you can't just flip a switch either. the system would collapse. I believe vaccines should be up to the individual, but the people making the vaccines shouldn't make record profits off of them. They should also publish all their testing data and what EXACTLY is in them. We shouldn't be forced to take anything. I don't know what you mean about less social responsibility. I don't know a single conservative that preaches more taxes for the poor. I think there needs to be a closing of tax loopholes so corporations pay their share, and the rich are not able to 'hide' money offshore. abortions should be legal up until the third trimester, except in cases of danger to the mother. If you simply can't make up your mind in 6 months, then you likely have bigger issues. I think we shouldn't hand out money in foreign aid and we should use that money to house, feed and educate our own population before we hand it out willy nilly all over the globe. if we are going to use the farce that our tax dollars are for defense, then let's DEFEND our country, not bomb brown people and let any Juan, Mohammed, and Larry walk across our southern border in hordes and droves. Immigration is fine, but there's a reason we have a limit. I think you should have to show a govt issued ID to vote IN PERSON and I think that ID should be free. I think there should be voting stations in every HS auditorium. Legalize 420, and let's consider legalizing all drugs. Let the gays be gay, idgaf who you marry. While I think 90% of 'trans' people have a mental condition, who am I to tell them what to do with their body? I think it's dumb af to cut off your tits or dick. But hey, it's your body. But if you present as a man, but "identify" as a woman, how the fuck is anyone supposed to know? Put some effort into it Ze, Zam, Chaz, whatever. The world doesn't revolve around you and your pronouns, get over it. I think pedophiles should be executed on public television. I think the people that brazenly do these "smash mob" style thefts should be put in stocks and publically humiliated. I think people like you misuse words like "fascist", "Nazi", "Insurrection", and "Racist" not because you understand the meaning of them, but because they illicit a response that gives you the feeling of moral superiority.

Ultimately I believe that MOST people fall somewhere in between the left and right and it's just the screaming extremes that make each side look terrible to the other. It's also that screaming extreme on either side that shames people into agreeing with them, exactly how you seem to be doing in your post. Calling a group of people a "dumpster fire" because they have an R or a D next to their name is extremely naive and childish and just as dangerous and you seem to think people that don't think like you are.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In full recognition that I am similarly guilty, bullet points would make that digestible. Just a consideration.

So lets both distill this down. I can kinda spot a few agreement points in there (taxes, don't be a dick to LBGT folks) and a dissonance between the voter and the representative (see: the last time R's got a big tax bill. More taxes for the poor, fewer taxes for the rich) which is similar for both parties (arguably more severe on one side, but I digress).

2A, immigration, taxes. These are all legit political discussion points and would be so much better to discuss than whatever culture war nonsense is going on. That don't actually get addressed by legislature (see: R's, this week, throttling their own border bill to make Biden look bad. They explicitly described it as such, so clearly they don't actually care, but when did we expect them to).

There is no conspiracy to place Taylor Swift at the super bowl. Fauci did not do... whatever it was the crazies accused him of (D's had a good number of crazies there to be fair). The border crisis is a nothing burger (not to say immigration reform isn't a thing, just the hype). These are the talking points I hear from the R's. How am I supposed to take them seriously. Especially when I, as a gay man, am expressly on the list of things they want to make illegal?

I watched January 6th. On their streams, it was right there. I imagine it was a big day for Twitch and others like it. There was no question what was happening, and many people have explicitly gone to jail for insurrection. This is not debatable. It has been adjudicated in court. And Trump told them he loves them and that they should "stand by". I watched it live. Some number of them were rubes that were tricked* but there were people setting up a damned gallows and shouting for Pence's neck. Even if the rubes didn't like it, mob mentality is a well studied and powerful thing. It was an insurrection. A relatively pitiful one, but that's what it was.

Trump has expressly stated he wants to be a dictator 'just for a few days' at the start of his term. Because that's how that works... He wants to jail reporters and political opponents. There is no shortage of statements that are about as undemocratic as you can possibly be. Tell me how he isn't a fascist?

Even if you don't like Trump, the R's have fallen in line behind him. I'm not talking average people, plenty of people are conservative and don't support all that nonsense. But the legislature isn't the people. And it's full of people that are challenging each other to duels on the floor of congress and shit (I think it was a state congress, but still). MTG and Boebert eat up air time with their crazy. Gym Jordan is a crazy fucker who was an accessory to sexual assault. The current speaker sends notifications to his son every time his masturbates. This list goes on.

So yeah, in normal times, I'd agree that judging by R or D is a bad move and that generalizations are bad as a rule. Both sides are using their positions to enrich themselves so it's not like there's any high ground to go around. But damn me if I'm not voting for anyone that associates with the side that would rather my loving committed relationship to another man be illegal for... reasons?

Side note: neopronouns are a non-issue. I'm an active member of my LGBT community in a major city and I've never met one. And using someone's new pronouns (on the subject of trans folks) is just a matter of being polite and is not onerous, most only get pissed if you purposefully use their pronouns incorrectly. Worst I've had is being corrected when the wrong word slipped.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

When you state something that is in line with the statements of terrible people it is prudent to denounce those people or otherwise say you are unaffiliated with their overall platform.

Yes, people shouldn’t assume that you are saying more than you are, but it is still prudent to understand that people will make those assumptions. It shows self awareness.

Normally, I would agree with you. But conservatives have been getting more fascist and have been making more calls for violence over the past decade. It’s a good idea to separate yourself from them if you don’t agree with those points.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But conservatives have been getting more fascist and have been making more calls for violence over the past decade

how many riots were carried out by conservatives in the last 10 years?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The most well knows is the January 6th riot in DC. But I don’t think that’s the best metic for violence.

How many rioters have actually killed people?

Then how many conservative police officers have killed unarmed suspects? What about during liberal riots? How many women’s lives have been lost due to abortion bans because of conservatives? How many people have died because of lethal measures taken at the us/mexico border because of conservative policies? How many Palestinians have been killed by conservative Israeli Zionists? How many Ukrainians have been killed by conservative Russians? How many people have been killed by conservative Filipino police? How many Rohingya have died in Myanmar?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How many Palestinians have been killed by conservative Israeli Zionists? How many Ukrainians have been killed by conservative Russians? How many people have been killed by conservative Filipino police? How many Rohingya have died in Myanmar?

No bearing at all in this conversation. We can do nothing about those in other countries. But good job deflecting the question.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You are the one limiting this to the US

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

well we cant very well legislate other countries so yeah.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, ignore that people other than Americans participate in discussions on this website.

But America constantly meddles in the affairs of other countries. And it’s routinely the conservatives who vote to fund wars and destabilization efforts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And it’s routinely the conservatives who vote to fund wars and destabilization efforts

are you sure about that? there's one side funding war right now and it isn't republicans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Mainline democrats in the US are conservative.