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Ahh I see, you read my link to understand where I am coming from and why I bought them and also I see that you have the mentality of a teenager who is unable to understand that others may have different needs and different levels of consumer spending. Got it.
Well enjoy your life of shaming a mentally handicapped (autism & ADHD with severe sensory issues where this device very much helps diminish) professional documentary filmmaker who finds this device well worth the price. Committing $5,000 more for the second unit was also well worth the price to be able to run dailies with my editor who may be on the other side of the planet from where I am but we can share a virtual editing bay together in real time is much more valuable than the price I paid for that second unit. In terms of business, and especially my business, $5,000 is not a whole lot of money. It will pay for itself in terms of time saved within a month or less based on my average hourly pay. It is a good investment and I am sorry you can’t accept that.
I see you are committed to digging this hole for yourself and feel bad for the people in your life who are very tired of how subjective and stubborn you are, it must be very tiring for them to put up with you, I can very much relate to that in my brief encounter with you. Good luck buddy.
Oh, and, you seem like a very prescient business person with their finger on the pulse of the tech industry when you say that “we have barely moved past” the VR experience back you had back in 1994. Enjoy your myopic pancake view of the world my friend, I hope you change your mind because you are missing out on a pretty great world filled with interesting things that you have never experienced but have strong negative feelings toward.
All of that being said. It would likely have been more wise to wait for the second generation (or at least a month or two for the shine to wear off and the bugs and bugbears to show their faces) before droppjng 10k on two of these things.
They are an incredible bit of kit, but they have their drawbacks and flaws already. Even Marques brownlee, the biggest apple fanboy reviewer, has said it's amazing, but it's very niche, and it's not perfect. That it has some very nice points, but the tech isn't up to speed with the vision. I believe he said something along the lines of it being the vision of the future on the tech of today.
I see that this device works very well for you, and the person you are arguing with is being dumb for not seeing that, but you must see that it works both ways. You are being a bit silly by claiming he is wrong when you are in the minority of specific cases that this VR headset works well for. Also, 3.5k is way too much to drop on one of these things. That's a poor price point for what it does. It's very "apple" to sell a product for 3.5k and just be like "yeah, no, thats what its worth" when if you give it a few months to a year the meta quest 4 (or some other companies VR set) will be out, copying a load of the tech and cool ideas (or more likely improving on the ones people like) but will cost half as much and wont be locked down to the apple ecosystem.
Glad its working out for you, but just like you said to the other commenter, "others may have different needs and different levels of consumer spending" to which i would add, the majority of people cant justify 3.5k on one of these, let alone almost 10k on two.
Waiting for a second generation hardly lets them use the device right now for the purpose they have for it in their profession right now
I'm guessing the second generation will improve the external eye view, which isn't a factor in that user's use which is entirely virtual
Didnt he said, he uses it for the AR use case too? If not then i agree that purchase is not worth it, just buy a quest and you have it for a lot cheaper the metaverse he wants to be in.
Wise to wait a month or two, maybe, maybe not, i have a window to return them free of charge so if they didn’t work for me it would be no cost to me and I wouldn’t have to wait for them to come back in stock if they did indeed work for me, this way I don’t have to stress about it.
I agree with Marques Brownlee, they are incredible but not for everyone and they are definitely not perfect. I think the outward facing screen is ridiculous but I do get where Apple was going with it and do not fault them for trying. This type of product is a moonshot and testing different ideas to see what works in an untested product space is a risk but I am happy Apple is able to release something like this. Could it fail, most definitely, but trying new things is an important component of success.
Do not get me wrong, I am critical of this device, there are many things that either weren’t implemented in time or just do not work that well, but I also bought the first iPhone on release day too and watched as that developed into something more useable and fully featured. I expect the same with the Vision Pro and see many areas where there is room for improvement or functions that work but aren’t quite refined enough yet for the general population. This thing is incredibly niche, I do not deny that, but what gets me about the people who are overly critical of it are that they are so narrowly focused on what they want it to be and at the price they want it to be at that they are completely missing the point that this product is not for them, it is the precursor to what they are envisioning in their mind.
The price is very much what to expect with future technology, and I don’t mean it is fully realized technology of today, I mean it is high priced because it is using a lot of non-standard tech in non-standard ways. It is a prototype of what we will be seeing in 3-5 years as normal. The doubters and critics in this tread are looking at this thing as a failure because it isn’t a product for the masses right now and my point is it is a viable product but for niche markets, of which I feel I am directly targeted as the exact demographic for this and I am incredibly grateful for that.
I do not think it is silly to say it isn’t a viable product, which is what many of the naysayers in this thread who I have been discussing this with are saying, my point is that it is not a viable product for them. Apple had roughly 80,000 Vision Pro’s available for purchase on release day and I am willing to bet that of the target market that is a good mount to out out there. And if you are manufacturing something with this amount of cutting edge tech at that low of a product run then yeah, $3,500 is not a startling amount. The comments are expensive and so is the tooling and manufacturing, licensing and etc is all very expensive to get this thing to market. I am not surprised, that is just the price of niche hardware. Look at RED cameras or professional camera drones or any high tech/low volume device, it is in line and not unexpected to hit a price point in that range. What I find frustrating in all this is how little people understand the costs of what goes into making something like this and the assumption that anyone buying it is getting ripped off. It happens often with Apple products, especially their more high end lines. Sometimes the cost is way out of whack with comparable products, like those way overpriced and outdated Mac Pros, but that is because there are viable alternatives where you do not have to pay the Apple tax to get a similarly spec’s computer. The Vision Pro is a different beast because there really isn’t anything else like it.
I am well aware not everyone can afford a Vision Pro and not everyone has a use for them, but that should not be a criticism for the product, it says more about the person making the criticism than anything else. If it isn’t what you want or is too expensive for you then don’t buy it, no one is forcing this thing on anyone. I am not gloating or bragging about being able to afford buying 2. I am tired of people judging those who bought it and saying they are idiots for wasting their money. I am not an idiot and I did not waste my money on it, I very much feel I got the better end of this deal. I don’t see why I need to accept being maligned for that. Heck dude, there are a lot of people, probably many in this very thread, who have spent more than $5,000 on their gaming computer setup (monitor, computer, gfxcard, keyboard, mouse, etc) and that is more or less just for a hobby. As a business expense that will save me tons of time to review footage and watch cuts in a virtual space with interested parties from across the globe in real time, the price I paid is well worth and much more value than that money other spent on their gaming setup. As a life expense, being able to tune out the myriad distractions and sensory issues I face at every moment, to turn on noise cancellation on my AirPods and tune out the world around me in the Vision Pro so that I can focus on work tasks or just mediating, listening to music or watching a tv show, all things I find difficult to do regularly, this thing is a godsend and that too is well worth the money spent. My issue is when others tell me that I wasted my money on it. Who are they to decide how I should spend it and what I should spend it on and what value it should have to me. That is what is infuriating about some of these vehemently negative comments on here. So immature and clearly biased by other things than just the price of the Vision Pro
There will be competition that will copy parts of the Vision Pro and they will make cheaper variations of the headset and that is ok. That is what competition is all about and how the tech industry works. Products like this are what push that boundary forward faster and if it isn’t a perfect fit for everyone right now, well, that is normal for things like that and is just how these types of products develop over time.
Hey though, Mr_Dr_Oink, I just want to say, in the sea of thoughtless replies and snarky, immature discussion around this I do want to say that I appreciate your well reasoned response to me. Thank you.
Lol no one is surprised there. It's a great way to illustrate my point though. Even just 1-2 years after that first iphone released you could buy phones for far less money that had many more features. Hell even my $40 blackberry could do way more things than the first iphone did, it was basically only lacking a shiny ass touchscreen. I was more than happy to accept the trade-offs and returned my second gen iphone happily after feeling scammed. Went from a shiny toy with a half day battery life to a very useful tool for 1/5 the price whose battery lasted 2 entire days.
Maybe your extreme fanboy-ism has made you forget that the original iPhone didn't have copy and paste or apps, but it's the truth. Maybe you forget that it took the iphone like 12 years to release a phone with a decent camera, but it's true. That original iPhone was extraordinarily limited and overpriced and the same applies today. I can buy dozens of different products for less money than an iphone despite the fact that the iphone is far more locked down and limited and mostly meh in terms of features.
I might not be an apple fanboy, and i might have disagreed with the other poster who bought these two vision pro devices on it being a good idea this early, but you are going waay too hard on this. Your dislike of apple products seems misguided. All touch screen smart phones were awful back then. I remember a Sony xperia x10 that was android based but didn't even have multi-touch amongst a lot of other crap at the time.
Apple , as well as all smartphone products, have come an extremely long way since the original iPhone, and i can't realistically call modern iPhones bad phones. They just aren't and haven't been for years. Even though i think they are inferior to some android phones out there now, the margin is tiny and almost unimportant to the point that the only reason not to buy apple is that you dont have any other apple products.
You are being shitty for the purpose of making yourself feel better or above this guy. I dont take issue with them buying 2 vision devices or even buying 1 if thats what they wanted. I just thought it would be a safer bet and more worth it to wait for a few months or until the next generation personally and wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
Pfft
Come on, mate. You know its true.
Yeah I don't really give a shit. Not only did no one ask your opinion, this person pulled the "I feel sorry for your friends and relatives" bullshit. Don't post stupidity on the Internet if you don't want it to be criticized. I'm also perfectly entitled to hate apple, it's quite earned over a 30 year period. They reinforce their shit monopolistic practices weekly
You don't give a shit?
Is that why you are downvoting all of my comments?
And why you keep responding?
And why you argued with that other guy and myself for all of this time?
Ok, mate.
Sure thing, buddy
P.s. this is a social media website/app the whole point is people giving their opinions and weighing in on stuff. That's the literal purpose of these sites... so what are you on about?
I tried not actually responding to you, but yeah you got me. I care so fucking much that you're an apple simp looking to butt in. Your opinion is vital to my existence. I tried to hide it but it's true.
Havent had an apple product since the ipod nano. I have a samsung galxy fold 3. Before that, I had a huawei p30 pro, and before that, a p20 pro. Before that, google pixel and vefore that a nexus 7 and before that a galaxy s4 mini and before that an s2...
Nice one, mate.
Your link didn't and still doesn't work.
Kind of weird to play the disability card like that. Even if your link worked and I was able to read about how this helps with any disability you have, that wouldn't necessarily mean that dropping 3 times more money than it could possibly make sense to on this would be justified.
My point was that decades have gone by and basically 95% of the progress made toward decent VR has been made between 2014 and 2021. This device maybe represents another 2% bump. According to everyone but you, they're still quite clunky.
Enjoy the drastically overpriced devices, and just btw the comment about how this wasn't "that much money" turns my stomach. The privilege-o-meter exploded when you wrote that. The majority of the world's population probably would survive for at least 1.5 years on that sum of money.
As for the weird online-person "I feel sorry for people who know you" shit, I would definitely go out of my way to not interact with someone so extremely out of touch with reality that they would gladly pay 10 grand for a drip of Apple's latest buzz. I would strive for having friends who are opposite to that in every single way possible. I could be an asshole weirdo too and muse about how hard it must be for people who know you, but I'll just leave things here.
Lol