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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It's not a choice, here, so much as it is the result of our smartphone culture.

In the US, using the default messaging app on your phone is the norm for most people. Third party messaging apps like WhatsApp simply never caught on over here, so we've let Apple, Google, Samsung, etc determine how we talk to each other. Vendor lock-in tactics run rampant, with barely any regulation.

The default messaging apps on iPhone is iMessage. It's locked down and can not communicate with any other messaging app except via SMS. Therefore the other apps have to use it to communicate with iPhone users.

Conversely, Google has a messaging protocol they're trying to get Apple to adopt called RCS, but Google also refuses to let RCS be used by third party apps. So SMS becomes the fallback for communication between them.

It's partially corporate bickering, partially consumers being tech illiterate and staunchly opposed to using anything third party. Particularly in the case of iPhone users, there's a strong culture of entrenchment in the Apple ecosystem, and for some people, not being in it is actually seen as worthy of derision. There's actual cases of bullying in schools if a kid doesn't use iPhone, and that's having an increasingly detrimental effect on the market.

You have to appreciate, in Europe, you're mostly using Android, a (somewhat) open ecosystem, and that mentality is stronger over there.

But here in the states, iPhones are extremely prominent, and with them comes the mentality that Apple has spent decades programming into its consumers: don't use anything non-Apple, and if that creates problems for other people, too bad, they should just buy Apple too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The default messaging apps on iPhone is iMessage. It’s locked down and can not communicate with any other messaging app except via SMS. Therefore the other apps have to use it to communicate with iPhone users, who you will never, ever convince to download a third party messaging app

One other thing is that none of the third party messaging apps can even use SMS. iOS is designed so that only Apple can use SMS.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Using SMS is largely because it's been free on most vendors since about 2008. Just before smartphones took off, with everyone getting data plans which would enable proper messaging systems.

I've been running XMPP on my phone since 2010.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I am familiar with the whole topic, but your summary is the best I've found, tackling objectively all the points of the issue.

if that creates problems for other people, too bad, they should just buy Apple too.

I believe this is a real quote from Tim Cook when prompted about RCS in iMessage.