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Following his trial for defamation of the families of the children and school staff killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is using Valve Corp.’s Steam, the world’s largest digital distribution platform for PC games, to sell an Infowars-themed video game. Jones claims to have earned hundreds of thousands in revenue from the video game, yet he has refused to pay the Sandy Hook families. Alex Jones: NWO Wars also mirrors and cartoonishly repackages the conspiracy theorist’s regularly violent, hateful rhetoric despite the platform’s policies against hate speech.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

THIS is why it's like pulling teeth to get a pizzagater to make ONE real claim.

I gave you 3 claims, and you picked your own 4th.

It is at this point where I am expected to appear to ask for this material. This could be a crime. Be careful. Look how fast this reply was locked-and-loaded.

Ah, now I see why you were so weirdly desperate for me to post that particular photo. You had a narrative needing to be fulfilled. Sorry to disappoint.

Are there alleged to be other materials of this child that are objectionable?

Yes, and they haven't been acted upon either.

Is this a victim?

Potentially, yes. How are you imagining this kid "coming forward" to the authorities?

Silence is clearly not a good measurement. Are there any other methods to look for them?

Yep. By photos posted online by their abusers. By having child services interview their guardians.

Theses accusations are dangerous.

And should have been handled by the police. They weren't.

There is no one who is credibility alleged to have explicit material of this child.

No-one claimed this either. Debunkers love to invent strawmen to attack.

1.) The only thing that little girl's guardians did was upload a photo of the aftermath of child's play.

Your favourite picture is far from the only suspicious Instagram post/comment

You get federal authorities to harass strangers.

Literally their job. And they point is they weren't doing it.

sicko.

You are the one defending the guy with a "members only" file share on his website who makes child abuse jokes on Instagram.

based on as flimsy shit as you accept as proof.

This applies equally to debunkers who think "no basement" is proof that pizzagate is false.

I'm not convinced any part of pizzagate is real, but you (and other debunkers) are convinced it is 100% fake. That's what is interesting.

Pizzagate debunkers are just as fervently irrational as the unquestioning gun toting believers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

THIS is why it’s like pulling teeth to get a pizzagater to make ONE real claim.

I gave you 3 claims, and you picked your own 4th.

Would you like me to read one of those 3 claims?

Instagram was used to joke about child abuse.

So let's see we're YOU are finding this instagram stuff. Hmm..

No, the. Best evidence is the steemit summary above. That made a LOT of people suspicious

Ok, we know where your BEST evidence is. Let's figure out this instagram claim.

Here are the times YOU brought up Instagram:

At least the guardian’s of the kids in the Instagram photos should have been questioned.


We are discussing 8 year old emails and Instagram posts.


Virginia Giuffre was a victim who came forward.

Only as a middle aged woman. Kids in the Instagram photos would now barely be over 10.


There are no victims in pizzagate.

We have photos of some from Instagram.


That investigation went as far as it could before violating the rights of a private business owner

No. There was no investigation (sorry, no supporting evidence). “Private business owner” has nothing to do with suggestive Instagram posts involving children.


You talk a lot about instagram for someone who finds the FIRST instagram picture from your GOLDEN source embarrassing. Here, I'll add context. I'll expand the crop. And let see what this fear-mongering document says...

It's the "most widely referenced one". YOU are the one pointing to internet "frenzies" as evidence. An internet frenzy was whipped up about this ONE picture in particular. There are no other pictures related to this child. YOU are claiming the other photos are connected.

Adding more context makes the evidence look WORSE.

Also notice that the simple explanation isn't good enough: "please let me know if there are more". They want another explanation because then "see, they're changing their story". For some reason they want the reader to be suspicious of only ONE explanation. Reality works in a strange way for people who think like this.

Then every pizzagater ever says, "that's why you picked THAT photo. Of course the one my opponent chooses one that makes me look silly. They won't show you the other stuff I sent them. Please read the first paragraph at least, where it says if you don't see EVERYTHING, you'll be too ignorant to know the truth."

They are always saying "look at everything. but don't look at anything."

The only claim I made is that I have seen no proof of illegal activity. There are plenty of times in my life where I have seen proof of illegal activity. It's a pretty common thing to see on the news. I don't see why I should worry about people who have weird tastes in art. I see a lot of mixing pizza, weird art, and sex in that doc, but not kids. I'm worried about one who see that photo as normalization of child abuse. (Here is where that claim of "I'm not claiming THAT photo is what i'm talking about. don't you see how vague i'm being. look at everything" This is 30-Rock's "Homonym Game" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZLkcFns8Ks )

Seeing a girl smiling with masking tape on her arms does NOT look like normalization [i use US spelling]

Can do you have a picture where she isn’t smiling?

So it’s not abuse if they enjoy it? Heard of normalisation?

You are either being very disingenuous here, or you find that image stirring. I do not want to accuse you of anything, but the reason I want a journalist in the loop is because every pizzagater with any sizable voice is WITHOUT FAIL either (a) trying to convince people (including themselves) that SA material of minors is more common than it is or (b) very homophobic.

The document you provided is teeming with homophobia.

I am implementing a new rule. I will not engage with pizzagate arguments with people unless they pledge: "There is a gay person in my life that I love, and they live a meaningful, fulfilling life." That's probably not hard. Honestly, I don't care if you know them personally.

If you can't do that, I'd rather deal with a more serious mind virus.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You talk a lot about instagram

Because that is where Alefantis posted.

There are no other pictures related to this child.

There are more. E.g. wearing a "pizza slut" t-shirt.

YOU are claiming the other photos are connected.

Yes. Alefantis commented on most or is connected via his restaurant.

Also notice that the simple explanation isn't good enough

If you want to claim a slamdunk debunk then the simple explanation must be the only explanation, or the suspicious explanation is shown to be impossible.

Your "debunk" falls far short.

The only claim I made is that I have seen no proof of illegal activity.

You claimed pizzagate is absolute garbage. That it was debunked.

2 dudes on a street correr and a BMW parked nearby is not proof of illegal activity. But it is suspicious. You want the police to check it out.

I'm worried about one who see that photo as normalization of child abuse.

Dude, you're the one obsessed with this particular photo.

"There is a gay person in my life that I love, and they live a meaningful, fulfilling life." Send your gay strawman away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Please remove the quotation marks. That's not how words work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is a gay person in my life that I love, and they live a meaningful, fulfilling life. I love gays. Great fun.

What I don't like seeing them being irrelevantly dragged into arguments in an attempt to distract and score cheap points.

This has nothing to do with showing that the claims made by pizzagate are impossible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Cool. There are gay people I love too. Wouldn't change a thing about them.

Dude, you’re the one obsessed with this particular photo.

Sure am. You see someone showed it to me in a document they linked. They called the dossier the best evidence of pizzagate. That dossier has this particular photo. It even said "We might as well start with this picture of a girl taped to a table, which is probably the most widely referenced one." Of course, that " girl taped to a table" was standing on the floor with her arms affixed to a table with masking tape, and not even a lot of tape.

That photo sure stirred up a frenzy. My claim was that anytime anything that is purported to be concrete evidence is investigated, it sure looks like nothing upon inspection. The pizzagater always plays the Homonym Game. "I was talking about a different photo?" Well, I'm talking about this photo.

So if you argue that frenzies show there must be something happening, I will point to THIS picture. Because it is THIS that picture that by itself caused a frenzy. Read the words around the picture. Then read my proposal of the only definition of pizzagate i can agree with

Pizzagate: The believe that real world damage can be caused simply by never admitting any harmless explanations regardless of plausibility.

So 4chan decides to use Pizzagate as a weapon to sick on this shop owner and his friends and family. It fits just fine.

You act like I'm cherry-picking, because you know most people aren't going to check, and the kinds of people that do check don't fall for this shit.

Well, that piece of "evidence" is clearly trash. Anyone trying to sell it to me thinks I'm stupid. Why would I bother?

Do you have a dossier that does NOT include wastes of time?