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I just read this point in a comment and wanted to bring it to the spotlight.

Meta has practically unlimited resources. They will make access to the fediverse fast with their top tier servers.

As per my understanding this will make small instances less desirable to the common user. And the effects will be:

  1. Meta can and will unethically defedrate from instances which are a theat to them. Which the majority of the population won't care about, again making the small instances obsolete.
  2. When majority of the content is on the Meta servers they can and will provide fast access to it and unethically slow down access to the content from outside instances. This will be noticeable but cannot be proved, and in the end the common users just won't care. They will use Threads because its faster.

This is just what i could think of, there are many more ways to be evil. Meta has the best engineers in the world who will figure out more discrete and impactful ways to harm the small instances.

Privacy: I know they can scrape data from the fediverse right now. That's not a problem. The problem comes when they launch their own Android / iOS app and collect data about my search and what kind of Camel milk I like.

My thoughts: I think building our own userbase is better than federating with an evil corp. with unlimited resources and talent which they will use to destroy the federation just to get a few users.

I hope this post reaches the instance admins. The Cons outweigh the Pros in this case.

We couldn't get the people to use Signal. This is our chance to make a change.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Meta has practically unlimited resources. They will make access to the fediverse fast with their top tier servers.

They absolutely have limits. For example Threads isn't in the EU yet, because of strict controls that severely limit what Meta can do.

As per my understanding this will make small instances less desirable to the common user.

Small instances are already undesirable to the general public and always will be.

Meta can and will unethically defedrate from instances which are a theat to them.

No they can't. The EU will only allow them to "ethically" defederate.

When majority of the content is on the Meta servers they can and will provide fast access to it and unethically slow down access to the content from outside instances. This will be noticeable but cannot be proved

If Threads is slow, people will switch to another service that is fast.

This is just what i could think of, there are many more ways to be evil. Meta has the best engineers in the world who will figure out more discrete and impactful ways to harm the small instances.

If they ask their best engineers to do something evil, most of them will quit. Why work for an evil corp when you can work almost anywhere you want?

Also they don't have the best in the world - those already left (or refused to work there in the first place).

Privacy: I know they can scrape data from the fediverse right now. That’s not a problem. The problem comes when they launch their own Android / iOS app and collect data about my search and what kind of Camel milk I like.

At least on iOS, that type of cross app tracking doesn't work anymore (unless the user opts into it, which nobody ever does). Apple's change to how tracking works is costing Meta billions of dollars... and protecting the privacy of about a billion people. Yay Apple.

But more to the point, people who are worried about privacy will only install Threads if it's the only way to reach thier friends/family. Since Threads will be federated, they won't ahve that reason.

I have Facebook and Facebook Messenger on my phone and once Threads is federated I will be enouraging all my friends to sign up for Threads, so I can reach them. If my Mastodon instance defederates Threads, I'll be leaving that instance (Lemmy, on the other hand, I might not care so much).

My thoughts: I think building our own userbase is better than federating with an evil corp.

Better in what way? One of my metrics is being able to contact people who will not sign up for Mastodon.

I love the fediverse specifically because it allows me to reach people on other instances. Defederating should be limited to harmful content (and I don't see any evidence of harm in Thread).

We couldn’t get the people to use Signal. This is our chance to make a change.

Even I won't use Signal. Talk to me when I can install it on both my phones, instead of just one of them (using the same account on both phones).


Finishing on a more positive note - Threads is going to be full of ads. I think a lot of people won't be OK with that... and if threads is federated, then people will sign up for small instances like this one. I think we'll be fine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they ask their best engineers to do something evil, most of them will quit. Why work for an evil corp when you can work almost anywhere you want?

Same reason Microsoft engineers stuck around despite antitrust, anticompetitive behaviors, EEE attacks. Same reason people are still working at any evil company.

Also, I'm sure a large portion of their engineers are on a work visa, so they really can't just up and leave.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If someone is one of the best engineers at facebook, they can get a work visa somewhere else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They can change find new employees