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Why?
Because some right wing rag told him Greta bad. These people are total shills lol. Imagine defending oil corps who wouldn't hesitate fucking you over for a dime.
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That's good advice.
How about you just fuck off with your baseless accusations. Nobody tells me what to think, especially not right-wing armchair farts who don't have a clue about tooting and blowing. Both extremist views are absolute junk and have no place in a civilized world and that's exactly why Greta (and the same, it's not just her) gets on my nerves so much.
Nice. 'Both sides are the same' im just one square short of mingo on my 'Im totally not a republican, But...' card!
Both extremes are the same.
You slicing the world into exactly two categories (not three or five or seventy trillion but TWO) is divisive and counterproductive.
I don't think you can properly translate "von tuten und blasen keine Ahnung haben" into English. But I appreciate it anyway.
Furthermore, do you care to explain what is particularly extremist about Thunberg's views?
She cares about the environment man! And and she like, stood in front of an oil port!! I can't think of anything more extreme leftist terrorist than that
To know as much about something as the man in the moon
As to her extremist and disagreeable views, now, I haven't collaborated this properly but have it on very good authority that she prefers vanilla over chocolate pudding. What a monster.
I prefer vanilla over chocolate pudding as well. Good god, what have i become...
Wahrscheinlich nicht - ist mir aber ehrlich gesagt auch Egal, weil es am Ende eh nix bringt. Sobald man bei dem Thema ne andere Meinung hat, ist man eh unten durch. Aber, weil ich ja eig. verständigungswillig bin...hier die Erklärung:
Yes, i care: I've said it in another post, the fact that she (and pretty much everyone else that applauded her) want's to basically stop living life, without proposing or advocating how to do it better or rather using her Plattform to advocate real change without completely demolishing "life" irks me. To quote the other post:
The issue is: The extremist positions are doing more harm than any good, it's one of the reasons the AfD got so big in the last few months and neither the Greens nor any other party seem to understand that all they are doing is playing in to the hands of those right wing extremist positions. It infuriates me beyond comparison and makes me actually mad.
And "the other side" just get's foam around their mouth (wahrscheinlich noch was, was man anders übersetzen müsste, ich bin aber gerade zu verärgert um das ordentlich zu tun - sorry) and put's you in to the same corner. Which is not only absolutely stupid, it also damages Democracy, Free Speech and also our society - probably on the same level as Climate Change itself, because in the end, does it matter if we bash our heads in because of climate change (no water, no food) or because we disagree? Both things can be avoided.
The popularity of the AFD is not the fault of the people actually trying to make things a tiny bit better. It's thanks to right wing media and parties (CxU) continuously slandering them after complete failure to improve things even the tiniest bit during their time in power.
Even the most mild and harmless change to somewhat reduce the apocalyptic global warming we're creating is fought tooth and nail by the right wing.
Your argument makes as much sense as the people saying gay people are making things worse by forcing their gayness down everyone's throat. No, right wing people don't want to do anything about climate change and want LGBT people not to exist.
You can't appease those dicks into rationality.
Yes, just close your eyes from the reality^^
Sounds like something a right wing rag would say.
Oh, she's extremist compared to the political center. Just as people in favor of women's suffrage were in the early 20th century.
Doesn't make her wrong though. It's just damning for the majority.
From what I gather, blocking an oil port is extremist and doesn't actually do anything but make life more difficult for the general population.
From that perspective I can agree with him. Blockading an oil port is an extreme approach to combating climate change. More sensible approaches would be figuring out how to lobby governments to tax fossil fuels and use that money to support renewable resources.
You want to enter a bidding war with one of the biggest global industries? Nations literally go to war for fossil fuels.
How did what she did make life more difficult for anyone except corporations? No one would have noticed anything, mate.
Hmm, in this instance probably. I am worried she'll gather the wrong type of attention and turn more people off than on to climate issues.
Hasn't happened thus far.
I am not sure about that. There plenty of people who use her as an example to further their propaganda against progressive movements.
No one is paying attention to them.
And people didn't think Trump had a shot back in 2016.
I live in a town that's split down the middle politically and I still see people flying Trump flags even after all the bs he has done. We even had a council member denounce pride month back in June at a council meeting. They think they are fighting the good fight.
Anyway, my point is that there are people who will see what Greta is doing, even if it benefits them, and still fight it because they think their side has their back.
I really don't care about what's happening in the US.
Redirected self loathing is my guess
There's a great line in one of my favorite books:
The main character kid judged his mentor "with the sanctimonious only a youth can muster while decrying the faults of their elders."
I think of that line often. That's what comes to mind when watching that infamous speech of hers at the UN. It's just so cringe and hard to watch. I agree with the message, but the delivery, oof..
Because I do not agree with the methods and also the basic goal. Basically, just telling everyone to stop living isn't going to do shit in terms of change. You have to give people a perspective to rally behind the cause - I support the cause, but neither the goal of going cold turkey on fossils from tomorrow morning, nor do I support the way they go about that.
It's funny how you never reply whenever people actually try to ask you what you think is extremist about Greta and her methods/views. Something tells me you've just been told she's extremist by some bad faith actor and you're just repeating that without enacting any actual critical thought about it.
I did respond to that. Several times.
So if I understand you right, you don't think her method are appropriate to achieve her goals?
What is her goal? What methods would be better suited to that goal?
Her goal is to stop or at least significantly reduce climate change - which is a goal i support. One thing i would appreciate greatly is to actually use her platform and tell people about how many different things there are that every single one can do, to actually reduce the climate impact, without having to change much in their daily live and even their hobbies. For example, those people that invest heavily in to fossile fuel companies with their own private money should look in to investing it somewhere else (and i do actually know a lot of people - not that wealthy - that do exactly that), "vote" with their pockets and actually pay attention what they are buying (like, are you buying your avocados from the other side of the globe, or maybe from sustainable greenhouses that exist all around Europe? Do you really need the latest iPhone 2500X?), support green hydrogen initiatives and companies that do something with Alge to reduce the souring in the oceans and so on - there are COUNTLESS efforts underway that ACTUALLY are going to change things WITHOUT having to deal with all the animosity and bad blood.
Ah good old oil company propaganda where it's every single individual's responsibility to fix climate change.
You're incredibly naive if you think we can solve climate change with your wishful thinking instead of political action to regulate production, circularize the economy, build cities that don't make you need to drive a car if you want to get anywhere, etc etc etc.
There's no such thing as fixing a systemic issue without animosity with the people who profit from said system.
You want the path of least resistance, which it is too late for. She has suggested a lot of things previously.
Dude human race is a danger to the environment and we are going kill life on this planet. So asking us to not live to save the environment would be spot on.
I believe that is the truly only way to save the environment.
But to your point of living our lives like normal. You keep doing that right up until were fucked I am sure future generations will appreciate you for all the "nothing " you did to combate climate change. When our grandkids (supposing you have kids) are fighting wars over water I'm sure they will look back on you fondly knowing that you kept up the good fight of enjoying the overabundance of food and water.
And you kept driving gas power cars and just enjoy life. Because god forbid anyone inconvenience you our the world over climate change.
How about instead of bitching about the girl who at least is fighting for her future and future generations you join the fight instead.
Do that our shut the fuck up no one interested in your complaining.
you disagree with stopping climate change?
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ffs, i'm getting really tired of this shit.
No, of course i do not disagree with stopping climate change (well, actually, i do, because the term "stopping climate change" is wrong, climate change is something that happens naturally and continuously, stopping the man made acceleration of climate change is the correct thing)
oh fun, a pedant.
so if its not the fight against manmade climate change that you have issue with, what is her basic goal that you disagree with?
I agree she is obnoxious and that famous speech at the UN is so cringe it's hard for me to watch. I also agree with the message overall, and I'm pretty much a single issue voter now on climate change. Blockading an oil port (?) isn't the way to go about it though. We need to make alternatives better, cheaper, and more affordable than oil. That's the only way to get people to change. That's the only way to change things on a massive scale.
All the downvotes against you are dismaying. I think people hear 'Greta bad' and assume you enjoy dumping oil in the arctic and killing baby seals as your weekend hobby. It would be cool if we could discuss these things without going straight to each other's throats.
That's pretty much one of my points as well. There are also other things that can and have to be done, we've fucked up pretty royally and need to be doing stuff ASAP - but not through force. We need everyone to do it and we can't afford the different "camps".
Pretty much, yeah. I'm by no means right on everything and some ideas are stupid (still, they should be done to get everyone on board), but no discussions i one of the biggest issues we have in our societies right now.
And now here we both are now sitting at "scores" below zero. I was really hoping Lemmy wouldn't bring reddit's rabid overzealous hateful groupthink with it. It would be really nice if we could discuss this like adults but no, I guess we should go fuck off and die instead.
We get pushed in to the "Right" corner. Which is utterly stupid and could not be any further from the truth...(at least in my case)
What's that line from big lebowski, you're not wrong, you're just an asshole? I think that applies to greta and other so-called climate activists. Sitting in the road blocking people from getting to work isn't going to win the hearts and minds. Blocking oil tankers isn't going to stop people, businesses, governments, etc from using oil. It's just super childish and naive to think otherwise.