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The president’s speech at a South Carolina church did not go over well with the GOP candidate.

Joe Biden gave a speech in South Carolina on Monday, and Nikki Haley isn’t happy about it. Specifically, she’s not happy about the part where the president called her out for her extremely cringeworthy comments about the Civil War, saying, “Let me be clear, for those who don’t seem to know: Slavery was the cause of the Civil War.”

The issue of the Civil War—and her commentary on it—has come up for Haley in the past. While running for governor of South Carolina in 2010, she described the war as a matter of two sides fighting over “tradition” and “change,” adding that the Confederate flag was “not something that is racist.” She also claimed there was no reason to take the flag down from the statehouse grounds (until five years later, after the mass shooting at the Charleston church). After Haley’s gaffe in December, Jaime Harrison, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, said that her failure to mention slavery was “not stunning if you were a Black resident in SC when she was Governor.”

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The "tradition" of the Confederacy lasted five years.

The Obama administration lasted eight years.

The Obama administration is more a part of their tradition and heritage than the Confederacy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also: Obama's tenure only ended because of term limits. The "tradition and heritage" of the Confederacy ended in defeat at the hand of the United States.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I've been thinking about this recently. Reagan would have had a third term. Clinton would still get elected and likely have a third term as well because the recession that got Bush Sr. would have got Reagan. There's a good chance we don't defund counter terror in the FBI and we actually catch the 9/11 terrorists. So Clinton probably stays in office until the 2008 start of the housing crisis. At this point party fatigue usually sets in so Obama would likely lose to McCain. But that's okay because he was probably the safest GOP choice in the last 50 years. Still GOP policies would have done him in by 2016, at which point Obama v Hillary plays out and we get Obama as our current president. Trump forever remains a footnote as he tried to run against McCain in 2016 and McCain obliterated Trump's ego in the way only the military can.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Goddamn it I'm already fed up with our reality, I didn't need to read about an amazing alternative history where Iraq never happened and I probably joined the military to get an education and technical training!

Instead we got Bush, and I could smell the fraudulent stink of Iraq even as a stupid 17 year old...

:P

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Oh yeah. Me too. But FDR scared the oligarchs and we couldn't have that.