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mwguy said it's fair to blame Biden for giving up on the student loan issue for concessions to keep the government open
You asked if it would be more accurate to say that Republicans forced Biden to give up, so they are to blame
I said that the Constitution doesn't allow Congress to decide not to pay national debts, so Biden could have played hardball, but he didn't, so it's still fair to blame Biden
You got all butthurt about not knowing what's in the Constitution and couldn't follow what I was even talking about, and here we are.
It was the Supreme Court, so I’m not sure what you’re going on about.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-rule-bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-plan-friday-rcna76874
That happened after Republicans fought it by threatening to shut down the government. Why are you here to argue if you don't have a grasp on what actually happened in the first place? Fucking hell, no wonder you don't get it, you don't know what fucking happened.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/01/12/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-early-student-debt-cancellation-for-borrowers-enrolled-in-save/
The timeline of events in 2023 clarifies that the issue of student loan forgiveness and the budget negotiations in Congress were largely separate matters. The federal budget for FY23 was passed on December 23, 2022, covering the fiscal year from October 1, 2022, to September 30, 2023.
The Supreme Court's ruling on the Biden administration’s initial student loan forgiveness program occurred in June 2023, well after the budget had been finalized.
White House reveals draft plans for next student debt relief plan
Progressives worry Biden’s new student loan relief proposal is too small
Furthermore, the discussions and subsequent actions on student loan relief were not a part of the congressional budget process but were instead separate initiatives pursued by the executive branch. This distinction in timing and process indicates that the student loan forgiveness issue was not negotiated out of the FY23 budget by Republicans, as it was not part of the budget discussions at that time.
Edit: removed a link I didn’t copy correctly.