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The case turns on the meaning of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, ratified after the Civil War, which bars those who had taken an oath “to support the Constitution of the United States” from holding office if they then “shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"Yes, but who cares what a bunch of old dead politicians from the past think"

- Supreme justices that claim to be consitutionalists.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Originalists", not "constitutionalists".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What's the distinction? Originalist meaning the original, unamended constitution?

That seems outside their authority. Their purpose, as I understand it, is rule on the letter of the law for the current constitution. The lawmakers, I.E. congress/senate, are who can amend the constitution.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There are different, competing philosophies of judicial interpretation.

The current SCOTUS majority champions "originalism", which means that judges must apply the meaning intended by whoever wrote a law. This often turns judges into part-time historians, trying to delve into the minds and attitudes of people who are long dead. But in this case, it's pretty easy to determine that the Reconstructionists who wrote the 14th Amendment had no intention of letting an insurrectionist become president. So "officer" clearly includes the president.

Originalism is in contrast to "textualism", which means interpreting the actual text(s) of the law without worrying about what the authors intended. So "officer" must be defined according to how it's used elsewhere in the Constitution, which (surprisingly) may result in something that the authors of the 14th Amendment never intended.

There are also other competing philosophies, but right now these two are in conflict. The interesting thing is that the SCOTUS has to side against Trump if it actually believes in originalism (as opposed to using it as a pretext for their antiquated ideas).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Excellent explanation! Thank you!