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I have a friend who is anti mRNA vaccines as they are so new.

Are they?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Besides that, mrna tech started to be developed in the 1970's with the first labrat trials in the late 80's or early 90's.

Clinical trials on humans, to test their safety and effectiveness in combating various diseases and viruses have been ongoing for the past decade.

And as you said, the first several widely used vaccines based on mrna tech have been deployed to literally billions of people.

This is an incredibly gigantic sample size for data and there have been very few issues for the past 3 years.

And what bernieecclestoned brings up about herd immunity simply means the people they are talking to are, like most antivaxxers, blithering idiots that know some catch phrases and not a single meaning behind them.

You only obtain herd immunity with minimal casualties through hardening the herd with vaccines and then hope the immune systems of the herd adjust to further combat the disease. If data doesn't show that new variants are easily countered by the immune systems of the herd, you know you need to develop more vaccines.

If you try to obtain herd immunity by letting a brand new disease like COVID run its course, you will probably obtain it eventually, but instead of 7 million dead worldwide (and lord knows how many with long covid or other long term disabilities due to the disease), you'll have 70 million or more.

Herd immunity doesn't mean you should just let shit hit the fan and see who's left standing. If you miscalculate the severity of the disease, you can have another situation like with the plague where it killed over 25 million out of the 180 million people on earth.

In todays numbers that would mean like 1.1 billion people die. Probably far more since we're extremely more connected than people were in 400AD.

And you'd think that the better general healthcare and hygiene these days would lessen it, but the sheer increase in how we're connected would easily wipe that advantage off the board.