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I have seen that the lemmy.ml mods will openly ban discussion about the CCP. I am wondering if the sh.itjust.works team allows criticism of government bodies, while still banning racism.

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[–] sharp 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

There's some talk about "a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately" in https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html, which struck me as odd.

Criticism of any governments should be allowed, especially authoritarian ones.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah. This is kinda gaslighting:

We’ve also seen a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately, and along with that comes anti-chinese racism,

No. Anti-china posts are not racist. We all hate Hitler Germany. Does that mean we are racist against Germans?

This sentence is fundamentaly flawed and shouldn't exist in the documentation.

[–] jasondotjson 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To push back on this a little: there's definitely historical precedent for anti-regime sentiment bleeding over into anti-populace sentiment. To use your example of WWII, a lot of the anti-Japan sentiment bled over to anti-Japanese sentiment in the US in the form of internment camps.

Of course this was in the 1940s and I like to think that we've become a little bit less racist now. But I've noticed a lot more racist "jokes" on Reddit as anti-China sentiment has risen. Don't get me wrong, we should still criticize China for its many human rights abuses and imperialistic practices as well as their violations of personal freedoms in their citizens etc. etc. but we should also be aware that these criticisms will be used by racists to justify their views and their actions, and call it out when it starts becoming more about the people than the government.

[–] Ergonomic_Keyboard 5 points 1 year ago

I think it's because people nowadays are brought up to to ***follow ***what they read.

There is so much importance of memorising facts one is informed like a computer, then alongside this, are informed by media and abrihamic based religions repeatedly, that life is binary good and bad.

And as such, when an average reader attempts to criticise China, or Israel, UK or US present governmental practices for instance, they struggle to not generalise and lump government, people, race, and more all into one.

To educate massess of people into being able to criticise policy is a surefire way to get the masses to be critical of the practices of a present government, and get you out of power.

Binary identity politics however, will keep you there, in power, forever.

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