You know humans have evolved to eat meat? Hunting animals is literally a core feature of us as an animal. It's much easier to have a healthy omnivorous diet than a vegan one because our bodies are adapted to consume animal and plants together. It's not a fact you can ignore and it's the reason why vegans need artificial supplements or risk severe health issues.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not even a vegan but this is such a bad argument lmao. Are you hunting the animals you eat? If not, you're not just eating meat, you are directly participating in a system that tortures them before they die. Factory farms are horrific. If you're gonna eat meat and animals products, fine, but don't pretend like it's just "what's natural."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah and it's natural to eat animals, we didn't hunt them for fun! How can you not understand this?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You are not hunting the animals. Go set traps in the woods, gather a bunch of friends with sharpened sticks and some good throwing rocks, and drive some deer into your traps. That is what's "natural." Again, I think it's fine if you choose to eat meat, but the meat industry is not "natural," nor is it harmless.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah you just described hunting being natural.

Eating meat is also natural, even if meat production techniques are no longer natural.

This isn't an argument about nature though, it's about diet and nutrition. Eating animals is more nutritious for us and vegans require supplements to compensate; this is because we evolved with animal & fish meat as a significant food source. Vegan diets are inherently less healthy than omnivore ones, just like carnivore diets are generally less healthy too.

This isn't to say what vegans are doing isn't a noble endeavor. It largely is noble as it helps the planet. It shouldn't however be seen as the default or that eating meat is abnormal because eating meat is what we were built for. It requires modern dietary planning and supplementation to maintain a healthy vegan lifestyle and it might not even he possible in certain stages of life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Humans have evolved on an omnivorous diet. The evolution-from-meat-eating myth has been debunked many times over. Compared to an actual carnivore, our digestion is more akin to a herbivore than a carnivore. Just because we can eat meat, does not mean we should.

Edit: Not even to speak of the fact that most meats the average person eats are stuffed full of antibiotics, so eating those does not equate a healthy diet.

Edit: Have a few sources too: https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/ancestors-ate-meat/resources

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I said you should eat an omnivorous diet, not a carnivore one. Did you even read my comment?

Most meats do not contain antibiotics, that only happens in countries with bad food safety regulations. Antibiotics are also not a bad thing by any means, though you should use them selectively. Just because an animal has had antibiotics in the past dosen't mean they still have significant levels when they are slaughtered.

Those sources are heavily biased. Human ancestor ate both meat and vegetables. Even chimpanzees eat insects, which are actually very nutritionous!